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post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by jerrolds View Post

Smooth motion is frame interpolation which blends frames and gives that "soap opera" effect - which is pretty gross and hated by the AV community for the most part. I turn it off myself on my ST50, and calibration experts suggest to turn it off as well.

Might be different that madvr tho.

Anyways 120/96hz would eliminate frame judder from pulldown

That is a pretty big opinion even if it is "most" of the AV community. I have heard the same thing about HFR content from people stating it is the "soap opera" effect. Really to me it makes look more real and bit better on the eye. I mean really all it is doing is increasing quality for motion. But there is a lot of people who get addicted to static, noise and low quality effects. It is a bit comparable to people who like records over CDs or MP3s. Well for the sake of the "most" of the community that apparently is addicted to the "cinema feel" of low framerate videos i hope that new movies like Avatar 2/3 and LOTR are also filmed in 24FPS.

I think i have made my position clear and would also like to point out that there are plenty of threads with frame interpolation being positive and SVP is a quite lively moving project. Also madvr just smooths frame to frame it does not create interpolated frames. If you do happen to like the "soap opera" look it looks even better when using madvr's smooth motion with SVP. It also at no point makes me think the screen is "gross".

Calibration experts is an interesting point. I wonder how they came to this recommendation and what was considered. It seems if this was just completely hated by the majority we wouldn't have a need for a 120/240hz TV market. I make this post as a mediation from the last post as it was very bias in opinion and maybe a bit mis-leading with the whole "calibration experts" and "most of the community". I think maybe everyone should give it a try and decide what they think.

Watching the Hobbit at 48FPS upcoverted to 120FPS with 10bit playback running at 1080p upconverted to 1440p was just about the most awesome quality i have ever seen for a movie. I will say if you watch 24FPS content and then go to interpolated or native HFR it does look like it is moving slightly in fast forward AT FIRST, this is something that takes getting used to because we have been kinda trained to expect that slideshow feel. On the opposite side if you watch HFR and interpolated and then go back to 24FPS or cinema feel it does "look gross" or at least doesn't feel right. Try running 120hz on your monitor and then one day just drop it to 24hz pretty much enough said. Anyways to each his own. wink.gif
post #12 of 14
I do have a 120hz 1440p monitor - a Tempest OC in fact. But motion smoother on most TVs ruin the picture by creating an effect "not intended by the director". Now the Hobbit at 48fps would be awesome, because its filmed that way - if i had a 48fps source, i would definately try and watch it on a 96hz capable display.

Go to avsforum or similar, all calibrators with an i1 display pro or better suggest to turn off motion smoothing or on both the Panasonic and Samsung models from 2012 and 13. These are the guys who are THX certified and have calibrated hundreds of TVs/projectors, with colorimeter and spectrometers - who regularly send them back to factory for reference calibration - these guys are hardcore.

Frame interpolation produces an unwanted "soap opera" effect - again i dont know what madvr does, maybe its better than most HDTVs "motion smoothing" implementation, maybe it does correctly mimic motion as if its filmed at 48fps+ - but for the most part motion smoothing is laughed at by the av community.

Plus im not really sure you can "upconvert" 10bit color, doesnt it have to be 10bit from the source all the way down to the media, as well as having your display support it?

And im really talking about film watching - you dont want to add something that the director didnt intend imo. But 120hz+ displays for computer/gaming is definately better 60hz.
Edited by jerrolds - 6/16/13 at 10:02pm
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by jerrolds View Post

Smooth motion is frame interpolation which blends frames and gives that "soap opera" effect - which is pretty gross and hated by the AV community for the most part. I turn it off myself on my ST50, and calibration experts suggest to turn it off as well.

Might be different that madvr tho.

Anyways 120/96hz would eliminate frame judder from pulldown
Also, it's possible to add a 24Hz refresh rate to your computer (1080p/24) via a Custom Resolution utility (nVidia's own, ToastyX, etc). Not good for desktop use but good for movie playback. It'll look the same as outputting it from a settop Blu-Ray player. It'll still flicker at 96 Hz if the plasma was using a 96Hz flicker rate (for the brightest subfields) already for the 1080p/24 from a Blu-Ray player.

The repeat refreshes won't do anything for motion smoothing, but it will eliminate the 3:2 pulldown judder in an industry-standard way (outputting 24Hz, like from a Blu-Ray player), to a refresh rate the TV was already designed to accept, without overclocking the refresh rate.
post #14 of 14
Yup ive used Toastys patcher to do 96hz for film playback just to see what its like (my Tempest can only hit 117hz frown.gif ) . But the black levels on IPS monitors are so garbage i dont bother watching movies on it...my 60" ST50 crushes it. Really hoping that if i can overclock it and get 96hz and still retain 2D colors.

EDIT: Cannot confirm for Panasonic ST50 booo my 7970 does not have HDMI ports, only display port and DL DVI...adapter wont work frown.gif Toastys patcher and manually overriding the EDID did not work
Edited by jerrolds - 6/18/13 at 9:25am
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