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post #1021 of 2207
Use this instead:http://www.overclock.net/t/1572872/firmware-added-button-delay-testing-attempts-tapping-mouse-buttons-lightly

Button duration will probably be 16ms minimum at 1000hz.

Any hope that there was a version of the Krait that wasn't awful is dead now. Meh. I can move on now.

By the way,
Quote:
For your information there is a proprietary (and patented) debounce
mechanism built into the Krait that enables more clicks per second. The
delta in number of clicks is a dramatic increase.

Robert Krakoff. He's....special...
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Well with that over with...

I broke out the Spectre again. I've been wondering if any filtering was being applied when using the mouse buttons.

So far the answer is no? It's hard to tell because of the way the buttons were designed. I can't actuate the switch to produce a click event without the mouse just doing the click jittering BEFORE THE ACTUAL CLICK ITSELF.

Which means that I would get jitter multiple times just pressing mouse 1.
post #1024 of 2207
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

I've found a mouse with a worse shape than the G303...

Cougar 600M.

Refuse to believe that type of claim here. Nothings worse than a G303 - FACT.

Shall buy the Cougar and find out for myself here.

Did you know they also seem addicted to bright Orange or is that their own Company Logo Colour, like what Razer Green is to our infamous manufacturer?
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Okay now I'm getting somewhere. I removed all the skates. I can now almost actuate the switches without the mouse moving.

Click movement is now identical on my cloth and plastic pads. Scratch that, it happens less on my QCK.

What the hell seriously.

edit: Okay still requires a hard pad due to jitter with cloth surfaces.

edit2: My Diamondback Chroma, Lachesis 3G and Rat MMO TE all have more click jitter occurrences than the Spectre without skates.

The lone exception is the PLN Ozone 3K.

The 3k has to have some type of click filtering going on. It almost deadens the cursor. The 3k also has the most noticeable sensor dampening.

I'd test the MMO TE more but the software also requires driver installation to work. It's as annoying as Synapse.

I might try the Sentinel Advance though, that has software that does not require any installation at all.

EDIT3: Removed Lachesis 3G skates. You can guess the results. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Huge improvement, especially apparent on my qck

Edit4: Hahah oh wow. Saying the Lachesis 3G is bad on firmware 1.00 is understatement.

Edit5: Still terrible, 1.75 now. 1.91 aka 16ms button lag firmware is my final go

wait was 1.91 that? i cant even remember. i think 1.94 was the last one

Bingo! 1.91 it is. In my opinion I would not use anything before that on the Razer Lachesis 3G. Since 1.94 adds button lag, that's out too. Your call.

Something changed in the years between the Lachesis 3G and Spectre but idk what.

If I were ever forced to choose, I'd choose the Spectre. Not saying that's a good mouse though.

Anyway back to my regular mouse rotation.
Edited by uaokkkkkkkk - 6/11/16 at 12:39am
post #1026 of 2207
click filtering? what, like sensor dampening / dynamic cpi that kicks in when a button is used..? what a terrible idea.


lachesis 3g is possibly my favorite sensor/implementation because of that crazy sensitivity.
i've never had any issue with the lachesis on my alugraphics pad, but i've seen my plastic pads cause minor jitter, so i guess it depends mostly on how compressible the base of the pad is and how flexible the surface is. and of course how smooth the surface is.
still haven't been able to separate the two top pieces, lol. i'd probably have to make a small tool that pushes 2, or even all 4 of the clips out of the way at the same time.

maybe i'll get a 5600 one day to see if i can put the 4k PCB into that shell. from pictures, it looks like it's possible. only difference seems to be how the upper part of the shell holds the LED PCB, which i would just leave out.

anyway, too bad PLN is ultimately such a fail.
since the start of it, they've just been trying to battle the "side-effects" by implementing "features" that slaughter what's good about this sensor in the first place. they should've given up and just let LED sensors take control rolleyes.gif
i probably lucked out a bit by already having a pad lying around that works great with PLN, otherwise i probably would've chucked it.


edit: forgot - yeah 15,9x ms duration at the lowest (Krait). razerguy, truly a genius.
Edited by Bucake - 6/11/16 at 9:31am
post #1027 of 2207
Well I would say it was bad to begin with. Especially the Lachesis.

MLT04 is still more responsive than any PLN sensor I have tested so far.
Edited by uaokkkkkkkk - 6/11/16 at 11:37am
post #1028 of 2207
Are Zowie PCB's interchangable with each other? I have a ZA11 and I'm wondering which other Zowie mice the PCB will fit in.
post #1029 of 2207
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Originally Posted by uaokkkkkkkk View Post

Well I would say it was bad to begin with. Especially the Lachesis.

MLT04 is still more responsive than any PLN sensor I have tested so far.

what's bad about the lachesis, tracking-wise, compared to other PLN mice?


except for maybe the 3366, i don't think i've ever seen cursor path as clean as the lachesis PLN.
and it feels very unrestricted with X vs Y movement. i prefer its behavior over the MLT04 for example, of which has been said before that it acts sticky in a way. besides, it's common among ICS mice to see/feel mild correction.
oh i meant sensitive as in picks up the tiniest initial movement, as if the threshold is lower than other sensors.

but i can't be bothered to look for mice as responsive as the mlt04. iirc even the 3366 mice are slightly behind.
as for using the mlt04, some days i hit the pcs cap too often, and then i'd rather have increased delay.
and concerning delay, the microsoft mice are only sup-bar when it comes to button latency..


but in the end, i only really use different mice because the G303 shape or its glossy sides will annoy me sooner or later. and if i really feel like something different, i'll just take out the boomslang (Bat mobile)! and kick ass with it, too biggrin.gif (it actually has very nice clicks)
post #1030 of 2207
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Originally Posted by Bucake View Post

what's bad about the lachesis

http://www.overclock.net/t/789304/rant-stop-pooping-on-the-lachesis-and-other-mice-that-use-the-twin-eye-sensor

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