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So then let me ask you since you have all these cpus and know 1st hand what they can do, which one would be best to run a multi-gpu system? Maybe 3 or 4 gpus? I know the 8350 is the most expensive amd has to offer but if its gonna help me maybe ill just hold out and save-up for that one instead? I guess what iam trying to ask you is he 8350 the fastest out of the bunch ? Only amd were talking about not intel.

yes the 8320/50 is the fastest out of all amd cpus right now
    
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Good idea to run a 8350 overclocked with 3 or 4 gpus or go with the Z77 platform? Which one will give you more fps Intel iam assuming? thumb.gif
     
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Good idea to run a 8350 overclocked with 3 or 4 gpus or go with the Z77 platform? Which one will give you more fps Intel iam assuming? thumb.gif

well you gotta pick a chip to go along with that Z77 biggrin.gif
    
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Well I saw a couple benchmarks between the 8350 vs i5 3570k they are pretty much neck and neck at most games,I don't know if theres much to gain going with a i7 377k other then hyper-threading but I have gotten way ahead of myself I started with a $90 dollar chip and now iam talking about a $220 dollar chip lol.
     
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Iam wondering if this cpu is still worth getting?......ive read awsome reviews about it can it hit 4 ghz on a decent air cooler? is it compatable with am3+ motherboards?

An FX-6300 (a 95w chip) can hit that on the stock cooler, and go much farther with a decent cooler. Pretty hard to beat at $119 . In my experience, switching to a PII x4 would probably be the same or even a downgrade from what you have, even overclocked, and yes, I('ve) use(d) them all.
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Good idea to run a 8350 overclocked with 3 or 4 gpus or go with the Z77 platform? Which one will give you more fps Intel iam assuming? thumb.gif

Expect possible bottlenecking in most games (read, poorly threaded) with any AMD rig. z77 for multi gfx gaming.
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Good idea to run a 8350 overclocked with 3 or 4 gpus or go with the Z77 platform? Which one will give you more fps Intel iam assuming? thumb.gif

Tbh, the only time you would be able to see a difference in fps would be in poorly threaded- cpu bound- games. There lies the Intel advantage. In well threaded games or gpu bound titles , there really won't be much discernable difference between similarly priced intel or amd cpu's. The 8350 generally will give better physics scores in the 3d mark programs than the 3570K but will give up some ground in the gpu scores, (probably due to chipset limitations?)
8350 is pretty stout, and is much better at handling BFBC2 than any other AMD chip I have. It also seems to handle that game better than my I7 2600K, but I need to swap gpu's and test it out to make sure that isn't the difference.
I really dont care for the multi gpu setups that I have put together , I'd rather have one monster card.

Intel vs AMD ? My own opinion is that I like the AMD's better, they don't score as well in the synthetic benches but that doesn't always translate to real use very well.
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Very helpful thank you guys!.... I think and no offence towards anybody until I can actually build an Intel based system then I can compare 1st hand what I get with each system.A buddy of mine says Intels better by a long shot while others say its about the same thing. And again not taking into account benchmarks and so forth we are only talking about gaming performance,it would be nice to do a run with the same hardware 8350 vs i5 2500k or i5 3570 k since those are SOMEWHAT in the same pricerange!.......
Now I have a very Noob question id like to ask the Intel extreme editions 3930k whats so special about those? If I had that cpu would I get more fps in games then you would with a mid-range cpu? Iam trying to figure out if its worth dropping $500 dollars on a cpu and another $500 for a motherboard if all iam gonna do is just game on it:thumb:....I apologize someone already answerd that.My mistake
     
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If you bought a 3930K and set it up with some crazy GPU configuration like two Titans in SLI or a 7990+7970 in Crossfire, then yes, you would see absolutely insane framerates on most games out today. You almost need a CPU like that if you're going overkill on GPU power. But if you're talking about ordinary video cards, even high-end mainstream stuff like a 7970, it would make little difference. The GPU is a lot more important than the CPU in modern gaming, and the CPU usually only comes into play if you pair a weak CPU up with a strong GPU. In other words, you don't drop a thousand dollars on a Titan, install it into rig with a Celeron or Sempron, and expect it to do anything but bottleneck and run like crap.

The FX-8350 is the best AMD has out right now, with the exception of those factory-overclocked 9370 and 9590 parts they announced last week (they're just overclocked 8350's marketed to OEM's). As others have said, the 8350 is competitive with mainstream Intel parts as long as they're not running outdated single-threaded code. On games that can only use one or two cores, Intel still has the edge, due to superior single-core performance. One reason people still opt for Phenom II's is because they have very strong single-core performance compared to FX CPU's, especially Bulldozers. With Piledriver, AMD's new architecture more or less caught up with the old one.
     
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If getting a phenom, get the phenom 965 and a hyper 212+ cooler and u are good for 4ghz. Cheapest as well!
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The FX-8350 is the best AMD has out right now, with the exception of those factory-overclocked 9370 and 9590 parts they announced last week (they're just overclocked 8350's marketed to OEM's). As others have said, the 8350 is competitive with mainstream Intel parts as long as they're not running outdated single-threaded code. On games that can only use one or two cores, Intel still has the edge, due to superior single-core performance. One reason people still opt for Phenom II's is because they have very strong single-core performance compared to FX CPU's, especially Bulldozers. With Piledriver, AMD's new architecture more or less caught up with the old one.

This is pretty accurate, but the problem with the Phenom II is that it's "very strong single-core performance" is very low when compared to Intels. So if you're looking for something with high IPC, just don't look at AMD in the first place. When it comes to multi-threaded power however, AMDs cost/performance is very high.

In the end you see a lot of comparisons between Phenom and FX where people say that the IPC difference is so huge. If that difference is so important, and games are generally considered to be painfully single threaded, why does the FX-6300 noticeably outperform a PIIx4 965 at stock settings?
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If getting a phenom, get the phenom 965 and a hyper 212+ cooler and u are good for 4ghz. Cheapest as well!

The cost I usually see ($90ish) for used PII BEs, + the cost of a CM 212+ is pretty much the same as an FX-6300... Considering the overclocking headroom, better memory controller, newer instruction sets, higher performance, and 95w tdp of the 6 core FX, I don't see how it's better or cheaper. Like I said before, you can easily get over 4GHz with the stock cooler on a 6300.
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