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post #11 of 17
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Bump update again. help would be nice.

I noticed many of BSODs I get even when gaming and coding I get have this "IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL" error (0x0A). After checking the little BSOD list here it seems I have unstable RAM. Maybe I have been barking at the wrong tree biggrin.gif

Anyways. This RAM should be 1600Mhz CL10 (10-10-10-24), and I have set it so in BIOS with stock voltage 1.5v. Should I try lowering clock to 1333Mhz or maybe rising up voltage? Searching it up on internet gives scattered results.
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I'd say it was close to size of uncooked rise, just tiny pinch bigger. However it shouldn't affect radically, right? Of course right amount helps, but not with dozens of degrees unless one spurted the whole tube on it.

yea it probably won't get you much better temps by re-applying sounds like you got it right.

as far as the ram goes, you should definitely have it at the stock clocks (everything auto) until you get your processor stable. then tinker with your ram later
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Maybe you just got one of "those" batches and may need to delid...

But that's just my speculation.

Very possible. Pull from link:

"Conclusion: The Intel stock CPU TIM is not the reason Ivy Bridge's run hot, and replacing the Intel stock CPU TIM is not the reason a delidded Ivy Bridge runs so much cooler - the benefits of delidding are entirely due to the resultant reduction in gap height between the CPU silicon die and the underside of the IHS"

Its entirely possible your gap is too wide resulting in higher fluctuations. Or that the TIM inside isnt making good enough contact. I would think about maybe sending the processor in for replacement. OR if your confident you can try to delid it. This of course will end your warranty if you have one and would be as mentioned high risk/ high reward.

EDIT: Unless all of this does come down to a ram issue. but I dont see how the ram could effect the temperatures of the CPU. If the ram overloads its not going to effect cpu temp. you still shouldn't be at such high temps even with a ram issue. I think its just resulting in a bsod with ram failure when it cant recieve/send the information to the ram from the processor. It still can be the processor failing, just thinks its the ram because thats where it failed to work.
Edited by dmfree88 - 6/27/13 at 12:10pm
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Thanks for informative post, dmfree88!

I am first going to make full double-check on my rig (removing mobo and reinstalling backplate for noctua etcetc) before doing anything as radical as delidding, with any luck I forgot to screw one of the screws firmly enough and that caused bad cooling.

About the RAM: It doesn't rise temps no, but I might have mistakenly rised vcore when I got BSODs. I haven't done any proper stressing other than quick small FFTs lately. I tried setting RAM settings to auto and BIOS set 1333Mhz with CL9 timings which resulted to 0x0A BSOD after ~1h of gaming. Same thing when I manually set clock to 1600Mhz with CL10. Now I am running 1333Mhz and CL10 to see if it makes things more stable. From what I have read reducing clocks / rising timings shouldn't affect performance in any visible way.

I guess I should try downloading Memtest86+ on USB stick and running some tests with it? Somehow I am getting a feeling one of my dimms is a badish one.

I am not quite sure but "RMA" doesn't work in Finland like it works in US. I doubt "Bad overclocking performance / high temperatures" reasons are good enough to get a replacement.

Edit: Prime95 Blend 10GB crashed the computer with error 0x9C after 1h. Memory was set to 1333Mhz CL10.
Edited by Miffyli - 6/27/13 at 2:33pm
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Thanks for informative post, dmfree88!

I am first going to make full double-check on my rig (removing mobo and reinstalling backplate for noctua etcetc) before doing anything as radical as delidding, with any luck I forgot to screw one of the screws firmly enough and that caused bad cooling.

About the RAM: It doesn't rise temps no, but I might have mistakenly rised vcore when I got BSODs. I haven't done any proper stressing other than quick small FFTs lately. I tried setting RAM settings to auto and BIOS set 1333Mhz with CL9 timings which resulted to 0x0A BSOD after ~1h of gaming. Same thing when I manually set clock to 1600Mhz with CL10. Now I am running 1333Mhz and CL10 to see if it makes things more stable. From what I have read reducing clocks / rising timings shouldn't affect performance in any visible way.

I guess I should try downloading Memtest86+ on USB stick and running some tests with it? Somehow I am getting a feeling one of my dimms is a badish one.

I am not quite sure but "RMA" doesn't work in Finland like it works in US. I doubt "Bad overclocking performance / high temperatures" reasons are good enough to get a replacement.

Edit: Prime95 Blend 10GB crashed the computer with error 0x9C after 1h. Memory was set to 1333Mhz CL10.

If the processor is unstable at normal safe clock speeds under load, I would assume this falls under failed processor. Set to stock speed does it still bsod? If so then you should be able to RMA it.

I would maybe try it in another motherboard? Maybe the motherboard is the issue? Try old ram sticks? Easiest way to test is to try with old parts. Even try checking the wires on your hard drive. I know I had some bsod issues because the door on my PC crushed my sata wire on my HDD. Took me 4 months to figure out why it kept randomly freezing lol. Diagnosis is difficult. Maybe even just re-seating the ram sticks or trying the other dimm slots? Worth a shot but unlikely if its working.
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It seems I managed to stabilize it after all by setting 1600Mhz CL10 for memory and setting CPU power duty control to extreme (Stable = whole day of gaming without crashes/BSODs). I also managed to shave off ~5c by screwing some SecuFirm screws till I wasn't able anymore. Temperatures are still highish but good enough for me now.

I just have one more question remaining: Voltage jumps to 1.29 at max load (small fft), I have LLC set to ultra-high with both phase control and power control at extreme. All this reduces CPU's lifetime obviously, but how much exactly? Internet, once again, gives scattered answers and I don't really know how to read all fancy data-sheets etc. Are we still talking about ~10 year lifetime even with these settings or closer to few years? Is it something I shouldn't worry about if I plan to upgrade my computer every 3-5 years?

PS: Thanks for all the answers!
Edited by Miffyli - 6/28/13 at 5:16pm
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Bump update again.

So I ran Memtest86+ and it passed. At one point I thought it was my AMD driver (13.4) which caused crashes during gaming since it suddenly started taking 99% of my memory for some reason and I had to reinstall + do driver sweep, but it didn't help with BSODs. Now I am looking at CPU overclock again and offsets this time. While using manual vcore 1.27v I can run Prime95 for ~6h without any problems so I assume that's the voltage I need. However when I start using offset voltage using simple math VID - needed vcore gives me way wrong answer. VID under load is 1.3v something but +0.1v offset gives me around 1.27v-1.28v voltage under load. Currently I have had it set to +0.25v when prime95 torture rises vcore above 1.3v which is way more than I need and temps follow, during gaming vcore rises to 1.28v which should be enough. Oh and crashes/BSODs during gaming happen after ~30mins or so, not randomly at startup or after long periods.

I'd still like to have an answer for question above too.

Edit: When looking at the event viewer I see dozens of WHEA logger events about hardware errors before BSOD.
Edited by Miffyli - 7/4/13 at 12:16pm
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