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Well waiting a day or two for optimized drivers doesn't really matter as long as the game is playable. Like I said BF3 ran better on a gtx 580 than a 7970 around the 7970 launch but it wasn't unplayable, just not optimized.

But that was AMD's own fault, Nvidia did not actively stop AMD from getting any access.

This isn't payback from twimtbp, that's releasing games as gaming evolved with AMD logos in them and with ready eyefinity support or something along those lines. This is going far beyond that. This doesn't help AMD owners, it only hurts over half the PC gaming market.
 
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post #32 of 329
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But that was AMD's own fault, Nvidia did not actively stop AMD from getting any access. .

True instead they paid developers to use NVidia technologies that AMD had no way to access.

ANY kind of limited access is bad for gamers. PhysX, with holding driver optimizations, all of it. Game developers should build toward the standards, OpenCL and DirectX and not worry about specific optmizations. Then we get the best card, not the game best optimized for a specific card.
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So let me get this straight, AMD is actively stopping Nvidia from getting their hands to the FB3 games until after launch?

Which company here was supposed to be the one with good business practices?

Nvidia has been doing this since they got the gpus into the last gen game counsels... this is no different then when games came optimized for Voodoo gpus 15 years ago, gpu companies have been doing this ever since... this is simply a continuation of prior industry business practices.
 
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Nvidia never actively stopped AMD from getting the code before launch for optimization purposes. What they do is they send a team of devs or otherwise help the devs to optimize the product before launch and maybe add a few features. The reason AMD wasn't optimized at launch was because they did not put in the resources to driver development. They didn't have a driver out at launch even if they had the access to the game code.

There have been some shady cases for exampe with arkham asylum where Nvidia denied AA from AMD cards but nothing like keeping the opposite team entirely away from the code with each game of a single big engine until launch.

That doesn't help AMD users, it just makes the experience worse for Nvidia owners. This is the exact opposite of what TWIMTBP did.

How do you know nVidia didn't do anything to stop AMD from getting code for optimization purposes, Proof?? The Batman Arkham Asylum shenanigans show what nVidia is capable of and this is only what is known there could be many other cases that the general public do not know about. AMD created TressFX and allowed nVidia cards to utilize it whereas nVidia created physx and actively stops AMD cards from using it and even go as far as if an AMD card is detected at all GPU acceleration of physX is disabled.
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All just paid propaganda to increase the chances of PC builders buying AMD hardware. You guys really believe DICE + AMD go out of their way to "perfect" the performance on AMD hardware? Please... they'll have to push out driver/game updates regardless to improve performance. You'd never know the difference if neither side was "exclusively optimized."
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How do you know nVidia didn't do anything to stop AMD from getting code for optimization purposes, Proof?? The Batman Arkham Asylum shenanigans show what nVidia is capable of and this is only what is known there could be many other cases that the general public do not know about. AMD created TressFX and allowed nVidia cards to utilize it whereas nVidia created physx and actively stops AMD cards from using it and even go as far as if an AMD card is detected at all GPU acceleration of physX is disabled.

Proof that they did do something similar regularly?

If we never heard any complaints from AMD or from some devs then I don't think my claim is the one that needs to be proven.... Nvidia though for example did speak out when AMD did the same thing with TR.

And Nvidia offered physX to AMD, they declined. And most physX is CPU physX which can be used on both AMD and Nvidia systems.

Also as a sidenote, the article might just be sensational but if AMD really is doing what the article says they are then they're just making PC gaming worse for the majority, not better.
 
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Considering it says NVIDIA can't develop drivers until after the game is released. I wonder how long it'll take to get optimized drivers?

I don't think TWIMTBP ever did that to AMD did they?

We don't know. But what we know for sure is that there was a time where a title being TWIMTBP meant you needed the holy grail of ATi cards to run it acceptably. On some it ran like an absolute mess until patches and driver updates launched.

So in my eyes, it's just nVIDIA getting a taste of their own medicine.
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All just paid propaganda to increase the chances of PC builders buying AMD hardware. You guys really believe DICE + AMD go out of their way to "perfect" the performance on AMD hardware? Please... they'll have to push out driver/game updates regardless to improve performance. You'd never know the difference if neither side was "exclusively optimized."

I'm more inclined towards thinking that what they really mean is that Frostbite 3 will make sure to utilize all the bits and bobs that AMD graphics cards can utilize. Not as in squeeze the last bit of performance, which would be very unlikely, but more like being able to use the compute powerhouse that GCN is.
   
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Considering it says NVIDIA can't develop drivers until after the game is released. I wonder how long it'll take to get optimized drivers?

I don't think TWIMTBP ever did that to AMD did they?

We don't know. But what we know for sure is that there was a time where a title being TWIMTBP meant you needed the holy grail of ATi cards to run it acceptably. On some it ran like an absolute mess until patches and driver updates launched.

So in my eyes, it's just nVIDIA getting a taste of their own medicine.

That's the thing though, nvidia never prevented AMD from developping drivers; right now, AMD is
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So in my eyes, it's just nVIDIA getting a taste of their own medicine.

You do know that AMD getting the hang of their drivers and starting the gaming evolved program is because their gaming department in general got a huge budget increase in the last year or two?

The reason they did not get drivers out in time before was mostly a budget issue. Not Nvidia actively denying them access to different games.

So how is Nvidia getting a taste of their own medicine if what they mostly did was optimize for Nvidia cards while what AMD is doing is stopping optimization for Nvidia cards?
 
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Also as a sidenote, the article might just be sensational but if AMD really is doing what the article says they are then they're just making PC gaming worse for the majority, not better.

Very much this. I can't see how this would benefit anyone. All sides should be able to get things setup for launch, not purposely hinder one. Nvidia did an amazing job pumping out a driver for TR after the same thing was done so it wont be a major strain on us but it's still entirely unnecessary. The only benefactor here is AMD and at the unnecessary expense of the consumer.
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