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EU Court of Justice simply "interprets" the EU laws that already exist. In this case it is a (part of) directive about legal protection of computer programs from 2009 (specified in link I posted).

But in short, yes.

Then Europeans can already sell/trade steam games, no?
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post #92 of 96
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Then Europeans can already sell/trade steam games, no?
We wish. But it isnt so simple. As far as I know there is already one lawsuit against steam prohibiting sale of used games going on and most are just waiting for the result. Because it will not influence just Steam.

But in theory - you could ask Steam for allowing sales of your games and if they refused, you could turn to national court of the member state you live in and court should be judging the case according to the EU Courts interpretation of the law (from that Oracle v Usedsoft case). In theory, assuming you have at least as good lawyers as Steam.

In reality steam will most likely use its army of lawyers to stall it until they have some workaround prepared (leasing games, subscriptions etc.).
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Why would a used digital game be cheaper? like you said it doesn't lose value because you don't open it/unwrap it so I see no point on it being cheaper just because you launched it on your computer first.

If a used game isn't cheaper why would I buy a "used" copy?

I would just buy it from steam.

If steam had a market place and everyone sold games at the msrp on steam no one would sell anything. Hence you have to mark down your game to make a sale. And doing so would destroy steams digital store.

Only way around this is if steam charged a commission to sell the game. Prolly around equal to what they make per game sale.
Edited by wutang61 - 6/22/13 at 7:57pm
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If a used game isn't cheaper why would I buy a "used" copy?

I would just buy it from steam.

If steam had a market place and everyone sold games at the msrp on steam no one would sell anything. Hence you have to mark down your game to make a sale. And doing so would destroy steams digital store.

Only way around this is if steam charged a commission to sell the game. Prolly around equal to what they make per game sale.

Even if steam has to allow you to sell your games, they don't have to let you use their marketplace to sell your games, they will just allow you to transfer your games to another account.

I forsee steam blocking second hand game downloads, You as a seller has to provide a copy of the games you are selling.

Steam might allow you to download your second hand games, but they will charge you a fee for each game that you want to download. Either one time fee for each second hand game, or a fee for every download.

TL;DR second hand games = no steam download
Edited by ghostrider85 - 6/22/13 at 8:33pm
post #96 of 96
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You as a seller has to provide a copy of the games you are selling.
Not in the EU. Ruling of the EU Court of Justice specifically mentions it - if it is digital download, copyright owner must allow new owner of the software license to get their copy from their website (along with all updates)

"a new acquirer of the user licence, as a ‘lawful acquirer’ of the corrected and updated copy of the computer program concerned, will be able to download that copy from the copyright holder’s website"
(from judgement of the court in Oracle v Usedsoft case)
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