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My Sager came in the mail today (6/19) after being ordered day 1 on XoticPC. I ordered it with IC Diamond put on, and Intel Advanced-N 6300 WiFi card. I also installed my own 120GB Samsung 840 SSD. Sager being a smaller company, I was excited to do a review on it for you guys, since finding reviews for Sagers is next to impossilble

EDIT: When I got the laptop Wednesday, there were 0 drivers for it. nVidia didn't list the GTX 765M, and neither Sager or Clevo listed the NP73**/W3**ST. Sager said drivers would be up by the end of the week, and they delivered on that promise.

Sagermeister NP7370 Specs
17.3" 1080p Matte LCD
Intel i7-4700MQ (2.4/3.4)
GTX 765M
8GB DDR3 1600
750GB 7200rpm
120GB Samsung 840 SSD (bought and installed separately)
WIndows 8 purchased from my college.

Unboxing
Ordered through XoticPC, and shipping was 4 business days. Going California to PA, pretty reasonable. It was protected pretty good; double boxed with foam cage. The boxes in the pics are the extra-thick kind, not a normal cardboard box. Included: Laptop, AC Adapter, (useless) Drivers, User manual, extra screws and slidey thingy for a second drive. Pictures! (Click to show)





Observed Build Quality
I've never had a laptop before, but comparing to other people's I've used, it seems built well. Its not a Lenovo, or unibody Macbook, but it feels nice and solid. The exterior is plastic, but upon taking it apart, the metal shell is pretty strong. The gap between the plastic and metal shell basically doesn't exist. So the plastic doesn't push in much. The laptop did flex some when purposely trying to twist it.
One thing that REALLY surprised me: Loctite blue on every single screw.(that I took out to install the SSD). That really shows that they give attention to build quality, even the little things.
The keyboard feel seems the same as most other laptops, maybe slightly more firm. The left click is pretty loud, while the right click is more quiet, kinda bugs me. But maybe that means the left click is made to take more abuse. The USB ports are tight as can be, same with the AC jack. Speaking of the AC jack, I HATE that its in the middle, who the hell puts the AC jack there? Its annoying. Only other negative I have so far are the speakers, they're average at best., get really tin-y at higher volume.

Benchmarks
Right now there isn't much current-gen to compare with. I don't know how fast X number means on Y benchmark, but here you go. Also, if there are any other benchmarks I should run, let me know and I'll do them. All benchmarks done with the laptop plugged in and on High Performance setting, laptop sitting on a wood table with no cooler.
Note: I have IC Diamond installed on the CPU and GPU.

3DMark 11 - P4262 - CPU: 81C - GPU: 58C - Unsupported Driver


PCMark 7 - 5271 - CPU: 75C - GPU: 51C - Valid


Geekbench 2.4 - 9824 - CPU: 81C - GPU: 45C



Temps

First impression makes you think this laptop will run hot, because it only has 1 fan. With IC Diamond installed ($35), I think temps are pretty good. The CPU never got above 81C, and the GPU never got above 58C. Not only that, but the laptop wasn't very loud during the benchmarks, so its not like the fan was revving its guts out to get those temps. Temps during benchmarks are above. Idle temps below (lol @ the Windows 8 backgrounds matching up to the idle temps tongue.gif)

Idle temp - Balanced Power - 47C


Idle temp - High Performance - 59C


Battery

3 hours and 50 minutes on 50% brightness (which is pretty bright) and heavy internet. Heavy internet as in max download speed the whole time, videos, and playing stupid flash games.

Thats about what I expected. Not bad, not good. I'm sure just browsing on a lower brightness would be a good bit longer, 4.5 hours maybe? I don't know.
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From what I can surmise, the laptop in your possession at the moment is better than your listed desktop in every possible manner. tongue.gif

Looking forward to this review. ^_^
     
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From what I can surmise, the laptop in your possession at the moment is better than your listed desktop in every possible manner. tongue.gif

Looking forward to this review. ^_^

Spec-wise, yes. A $1200 laptop better beat an almost 5 year old $1600 desktop!

But I honestly don't like laptops. If I wasn't such a data organizing freak, I'd probably stay on the desktop as much as possible, I just like the feel.

Im looking forward to being able to bench this baby and get some temps. Build quality and looks are subjective, but numbers are numbers thumb.gif
    
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Can you overclock the GTX 765m yet? I'm curious to see how high the memory goes +Rep if you can do this for me. I just ordered an alienware 14. (Got a sweet deal on it 1080p screen and GTX 765m rest base specs for 1250 USD)

Reason i ask is because we all know at 64GBPS that is the limiting factor of the GTX 765m. If we can get +300-500 Mhz Memory and get the bandwidth up to 80-85Gbps there will be a nice performance jump.


Edit: Wait, are you anywhere near me irl? I'd love to lan it up with an ocn'er
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Can you overclock the GTX 765m yet? I'm curious to see how high the memory goes +Rep if you can do this for me. I just ordered an alienware 14. (Got a sweet deal on it 1080p screen and GTX 765m rest base specs for 1250 USD)

Reason i ask is because we all know at 64GBPS that is the limiting factor of the GTX 765m. If we can get +300-500 Mhz Memory and get the bandwidth up to 80-85Gbps there will be a nice performance jump.


Edit: Wait, are you anywhere near me irl? I'd love to lan it up with an ocn'er

I live in Chambersburg (near Gettysburg), so about 3.5 hours.

MSI Afterburner is being weird. It says GTX 765M at the top, but it doesn't show any info in the sliders. No core, memory, or fan numbers.

But it did give me control of the core and memory sliders. I applied +500 on the memory, the idle temp went up to 55, then the fan kicked in and its idling between 42-47. Im willing to run a medium overclock benchmark if someone can tell me about how much I should push it, I don't know much about laptop overclocking.

    
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I live in Chambersburg (near Gettysburg), so about 3.5 hours.

MSI Afterburner is being weird. It says GTX 765M at the top, but it doesn't show any info in the sliders. No core, memory, or fan numbers.

But it did give me control of the core and memory sliders. I applied +500 on the memory, the idle temp went up to 55, then the fan kicked in and its idling between 42-47. Im willing to run a medium overclock benchmark if someone can tell me about how much I should push it, I don't know much about laptop overclocking.


Laptop overclocking is actually more simple because you don't touch the voltages at all. The reason the fan likely kicked on is because the memory wasn't idle during the overclock it always kicks on for a second then will go back down. If its not going back to idle clocks it could be related to the drivers currently installed. Any gpu not running idle will run hot like that.

Do you have GPUz to show the bandwidth increase from 500mhz?
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Laptop overclocking is actually more simple because you don't touch the voltages at all. The reason the fan likely kicked on is because the memory wasn't idle during the overclock it always kicks on for a second then will go back down. If its not going back to idle clocks it could be related to the drivers currently installed. Any gpu not running idle will run hot like that.

Do you have GPUz to show the bandwidth increase from 500mhz?

The memory clock is going up at half the rate I increase it on MSI Afterburner, is that normal or a problem? Like in Afterburner it says +600, while GPUz is reporting a +300 increase.

Bandwidth went from 64.1Gb/s to 83.3Gb/s when giving it +300.

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The memory clock is going up at half the rate I increase it on MSI Afterburner, is that normal or a problem? Like in Afterburner it says +600, while GPUz is reporting a +300 increase.

Bandwidth went from 64.1Gb/s to 83.3Gb/s when giving it +300.

EDIT: pic


Yeah thats right, it has a DDR effect, You are adding 600Mhz to the effective clock so the clock before it goes through DDR is +300, then its doubled on the other side.

You should try 3d mark 11 with those clocks, you might impress yourself. I think you might hit 5k. (Note 5k is the GTX 675MX region.)


Note: If 3d mark crashes its ok, the driver should recover and undo the overclocks smile.gif Nice and simple with overclocking the video card on a lappy smile.gif
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Sorry to disappoint, barely an improvement. And it was barely stable, there was a glitch or two during the combined test.

    
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Sorry to disappoint, barely an improvement. And it was barely stable, there was a glitch or two during the combined test.



Hmph, well i find that interesting, i thought for sure the memory OC would influence it a lot. Guess when i get it i'll just oc the core some more lol. Pretty easy to get +135 Mhz core on any laptop gpu.
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