Originally Posted by mcg75
The 7970 is a great card no doubt. But winning is subjective.
Price drops and free games did nothing to change market share in AMD's favor. That's the only place a win really counts.
You know, I think we have to come to grips with the fact that the 7970 is the STANDARD for graphics cards this gen.
When it barely beats a 680 or 770 at stock, it's described as "It stomps all over _____ when overclocked"
When the 780 is 20% - 25% faster at stock and overclocked, it's described as "Well, 7970 is $300 cheaper, and it's within 10 FPS, it's good enough for me"
I just saw this quoted, so might as well reply to it.
Originally Posted by KaRLiToS
Simple but delusional and non-sense. You are speaking about a brief period between December 2011 and March 2012. Still, the HD 7970 was the strongest GPU on the planet at that time and was 550$, not 1000$
"Wow, look the differences between the GTX 780 and Titan, the Titan sure deserves a 1000$ Price tag."
1. Between December 2011 and March 2012 the GTX 680 was NOT out, and AMD was happily charging $550 for the 7970.
When the 680 came out, AMD was FORCED to price drop. Don't you remember reading articles where AMD said they didn't want to drop prices, because the 680 was Sold Out everywhere? It took about 3 weeks for the price drops to come into effect.
Alatar already summed it up nicely.
Originally Posted by Alatar
It's what they usually do. Nothing dumb about it, AMD almost always has to play the value card.
7970 was an exception to the rule as Nvidia had not released a big chip as they normally do. Now with the Titan and the 780 they have.
Funny thing is that I didn't say anything that wasn't true....
For the huge majority of time AMD's fastest GPUs have been slower than Nvidia's. A couple of short periods (5870 for 6 months, 7970) are exceptions but they're only exceptions.
Because of this AMD plays the value card.
But when you read his posts, you start SCREAMING stop being pessimistic about AMD Alatar! When it's the reality.
2. Please find a SINGLE post of mine where I have ever said Titan is great value, when the opposite
has been my opinion all along.Proof (Click to show)
Originally Posted by 2010rig
If that generation was messed up, this one is even MORE messed up.
Notice in that gen, we got a refresh from NVIDIA in 7 months, this time around it's taken almost twice as long for the refresh to come out, why?
Back then, NVIDIA had some pressure from AMD, 480 wasn't exactly well received either. 580 vs 6970 was only a 15% difference, unlike the 25% 780, and 35% difference between Titan & 7970.
40nm vs 28nm is very valid, because AMD doesn't make big dies anymore. It took them a new process, and new architecture to beat out the 580, it took NVIDIA 3 months to match the 7970 with their Mid-Range GPU's on 28nm. We've had higher than average prices ever since.
28nm vs 28nm now, we have NVIDIA with 2 faster cards than AMD's fastest single GPU, which we paid $350 - $500 for last gen, and are now costing $650 - $1000 instead.
NVIDIA essentially doubled their asking price of their big dies in one generation for their GeForce line.
GTX 570 $350 --> GTX 780 $650
GTX 580 $500 --> Titan $1000
If anyone claims this is not how it works, and denies GK104 is NVIDIA's mid-range, you better do more research.
Just because NVIDIA slapped a 680 label on GK104, doesn't mean GK104 wasn't the direct replacement to GF104 and GF114, aka GTX 460 & 560.
What we're seeing and experiencing here is NVIDIA having an architecture AND die size advantage over AMD, and WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.
Of course, it also doesn't help that AMD got away from their yearly release cycle, to a 2 year release cycle.
I've been very adamant at the fact that lack of competition is what leads to higher prices, and now look.
Coming from someone who uses a lot of sarcasm in his posts, it helps to add smiley faces such as this one
You don't see me buying a GTX 6xx 7xx card because I'm not willing to support these high prices, when there's barely an improvement for MY primary uses,
which is editing with Adobe Premiere, gaming is secondary
for me, and the odd time I do play games, I have no problems playing them.
You on the other hand keep talking about NVIDIA and their high prices, etc, but you ended up buying a 680 & 780. I've even seeing you post saying the 780 is the BEST card you've ever owned. You should've kept it and not sold it, instead of being stuck with a "crappy" 680. ( your words not mine )