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Originally Posted by frickfrock999 View Post

Soon we'll be able to create and control life EXACTLY how we see fit.

"we"

hahahah you're adorable.
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I can't believe that anyone on a forum dedicated to computing would fall for this crap. This isn't immortality, IT"S SUICIDE. There has never been a computer that "moves" data, only that copies data to a new location and then deletes the original. When they say upload, they mean "copy" or even "simulate."

So what will happen when you lay down on that gurney and they begin attaching wires to you telling you how amazing it will be when you wake up in your new android body...what will happen is that the copy of you will walk over and deliver the lethal injection to finish off your body so that it doesn't have any competition for your identity.

This isn't the future, this is Kurtzveil's death cult.

As a fan of the Deus Ex series, I would instead turn your attention to human augmentation. It has three approaches that will all likely converge within the next fifty years - mechanical, genetic,and nano-assembly.

Interfacing with the nervous system will allow for true replacement limbs and synthetic organs. In fact elective mechanical augmentation will replace the body-mod crowd that currently has to make do with implants, ridiculous numbers of piercings, and lots of tattoos. All of that will give way to nano-assembly augmentation where nano-bots build the enhancements directly into existing flesh.

Geneticists are studying the causes of aging and are well on the way to developing treatments that slow the aging process by as much as thirty percent of so, which will buy time for the next treatment that will add another century to human lifespans and by the end of that aging won't simply be stopped, you will pick how old you want to be on any given day. I plan to stay thirty forever, but I could see fad trends pop up now and again where people deliberately make themselves into geezers for fun. If you are genX or younger, more than likely you will be the last generations that experiences the traditional aging process, and the only generations that experience the de-aging process - we just barely made the cut and will be old when the treatments start being available, and will spend a lot of time as geezers until age reversal becomes possible. Children born this decade may never know that.

Finally becoming literate in the programming language that is DNA will enable several things. The first is that it will enable a clean up of the human genome - a massive edit to fix all of the replication errors that have compounded over the generations, and are now manifesting in exponential rises in the rates of genetic diseases and birth defects. It will also allow for true transgenic humans. Combine that will nano-assembly and people will have direct control over their physical form down the the atomic level where the assemblers build everything. Your body will be mix of various species augmented internally. Think about it, a human with the muscle structure of a chimpanzee that also has carbon composite bones, friction-less joints, and muscles enhanced with composite fibers woven into the muscle tissue to further enhance it. Eyes with a 10x zoom and nightvision, hearing that can echo-locate, smell that's on par with a bloodhound - all of it changed on a whim if say you want to go deep sea diving thanks to nano-assemblers re-configuring your DNA and mechanical/computer enhancements atom by atom.

The only future humanity has is via enhancement of the existing human form, a true merging of man with machine, not replacing man with machines as the trans-humanist death worshipers are busy squawking about now.
post #143 of 145
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I can't believe that anyone on a forum dedicated to computing would fall for this crap. This isn't immortality, IT"S SUICIDE. There has never been a computer that "moves" data, only that copies data to a new location and then deletes the original. When they say upload, they mean "copy" or even "simulate."

So what will happen when you lay down on that gurney and they begin attaching wires to you telling you how amazing it will be when you wake up in your new android body...what will happen is that the copy of you will walk over and deliver the lethal injection to finish off your body so that it doesn't have any competition for your identity.

This isn't the future, this is Kurtzveil's death cult.

As a fan of the Deus Ex series, I would instead turn your attention to human augmentation. It has three approaches that will all likely converge within the next fifty years - mechanical, genetic,and nano-assembly.

Interfacing with the nervous system will allow for true replacement limbs and synthetic organs. In fact elective mechanical augmentation will replace the body-mod crowd that currently has to make do with implants, ridiculous numbers of piercings, and lots of tattoos. All of that will give way to nano-assembly augmentation where nano-bots build the enhancements directly into existing flesh.

Geneticists are studying the causes of aging and are well on the way to developing treatments that slow the aging process by as much as thirty percent of so, which will buy time for the next treatment that will add another century to human lifespans and by the end of that aging won't simply be stopped, you will pick how old you want to be on any given day. I plan to stay thirty forever, but I could see fad trends pop up now and again where people deliberately make themselves into geezers for fun. If you are genX or younger, more than likely you will be the last generations that experiences the traditional aging process, and the only generations that experience the de-aging process - we just barely made the cut and will be old when the treatments start being available, and will spend a lot of time as geezers until age reversal becomes possible. Children born this decade may never know that.

Finally becoming literate in the programming language that is DNA will enable several things. The first is that it will enable a clean up of the human genome - a massive edit to fix all of the replication errors that have compounded over the generations, and are now manifesting in exponential rises in the rates of genetic diseases and birth defects. It will also allow for true transgenic humans. Combine that will nano-assembly and people will have direct control over their physical form down the the atomic level where the assemblers build everything. Your body will be mix of various species augmented internally. Think about it, a human with the muscle structure of a chimpanzee that also has carbon composite bones, friction-less joints, and muscles enhanced with composite fibers woven into the muscle tissue to further enhance it. Eyes with a 10x zoom and nightvision, hearing that can echo-locate, smell that's on par with a bloodhound - all of it changed on a whim if say you want to go deep sea diving thanks to nano-assemblers re-configuring your DNA and mechanical/computer enhancements atom by atom.

The only future humanity has is via enhancement of the existing human form, a true merging of man with machine, not replacing man with machines as the trans-humanist death worshipers are busy squawking about now.

thats probably what happened to the aliens in crysis...
post #144 of 145
I don't see what the nearly orgasmic Jarhead describes any further away from a travesty than what the "upload me now, let me live forever in the cloud" advocates.
Truth is that plays with our DNA and the eugenics involved with it are unfortunately something we will also be called to live with and regulate wisely in our future.

It leading to nightmares like those for the aliens in Crysis, the aliens in "The DIG" or the banned space-pilots in Gattaca or the "victims" of Repo-Men and/or those of Blade Runners - I don't know.
Moreover NOBODY does, and NOBODY should assume he will anytime soon. I can see why it would be interesting being starring your personal "Ghost in the Shell" movie, but...this is reality we are talking about.

What all of these movies/games/SciFi writers warn us about, is making quick and absolute judgement about what is weakness and what's the "way it was meant to be" are usually wrong when treated as "i-win" buttons or end-game solutions.
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There is a long way to go until we sufficiently understand this "programming language called DNA" to change anything in complex organisms with reasonable success rate in the form of "that what will happen, flip the switch, see - it DID happen". It's not some linear stuff where every switch controls only one function - its highly complex nonlinear thingy where it is not possible to understand implications of all the interactions for many decades to come. Currently - well - currently you can go and flip the switch to turn off higher probability of schizophrenia and end up with blindness bcos one of the interactions associated with that switch also controlled some kind of enzyme that was important for developing nerve connections in the eye between weeks X and Y in the womb. You also need to flip somewhat more than one switch for "stuff" to happen usually as good bulk of the DNA is filled with "error correction" and fail-safes which can take over if the primary switch ends up damaged or is nonfunctional. DNA is marvelously robust thing in this regard. Well - most of the time.

As far as stopping aging goes or synthetic organs - its possible with high probability in the foreseeable future - however - I would not hold my breath of it leading to clinical immortality (in the sense of living for hundreds or thousands of years) as while your body might be functional I have my doubts about human psyche being able to cope with that long lifespan. Have you noticed how people who are older than about 70-80 years then to get a bit eccentric - developing of all kinds of quirks in their behavior. Well not all - some keep their shape exceptionally well but it seems most get like that.
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