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I take it back. Now I just pity you. You seem to have no understanding of humans.

Agreed.
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and then this ridiculous study,
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa020586

measurement noise best describes this study, the infection rate changes is so absolutely minimal, it is beyond the ludicrous.

Here is what we can be fairly sure of about cervical cancer,HPV it is mostly harmelss, to almost every one. it cuases no cases of cancer with enough statiscal frequency for the coincidence to be taken seriously. In light of this evidence, the conclusiveness of the clinical trial rate reduction of infection "not a guarentee to prevent cancer mind you" means that,

HPV is common, 99.999999 percent harmless and not in need of a vaccine.

and when you truly wiegh the odds of vaccination, life death etc, it becomes glarinly obvious that the statistics do not lie
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the statistics do not lie

Coming from you, this is unbelievably ironic. What you call "measurement noise" has actually been rigorously statistically analyzed in that study and the vaccine was found to have a significant effect. Did you even read the excerpt you quoted?
    
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anything that can degrade or change DNA, is going to degrade genetic fitness, excersize and diet can actually effect your genetic fitness, envorimental stress like mercury, lead and certain forms of aluminum and nickel, can cuase genetic mutation and damage. eyc ad nauseum.

bottom line, DNA can be very fragile and damaged easily. In fact cancer itself is a genetic issue, the failure of cells to properly replicate and then the immune systems failure to recognizine and clean up the mess.

Human DNA is assaulted everyday and we know of at least 130 proteins present in the cell that exist solely to recognize and repair that damage. "Genetic fitness" is not a thing, a mutation caused by a carcinogen is either repaired or it is missed, and your ability to do that is dependent on whether or not mutations already exist in the genes that encode for those repair proteins plus however unlucky you are.

You would be hard pressed to find a med student or practitioner on the planet that would advise against vaccination.

Genetic mutations aren't strictly bad anyway, things like random point mutations and exon shuffling are the reason we are what we are.
Edited by malpais - 6/27/13 at 11:17pm
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"Genetic fitness" is not a thing,

I admit it is completely irrelevant to this conversation, and was only using those terms as a counterpoint in case there was some form of sanity behind the other side of the argument. In the grand scheme of things, there are such a vast number of variables that go into such a concept that it could only be relevant in some debate about adaptability vs. specialization.

But you still get a +rep for breaking in on your first post like that. thumb.gif
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