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Finally went to a dual boot setup so I could run these things proper. Tried xfce, gnome, kde debian 7 stable. Tried mint debian. Tried ubuntu 13.04. I've never gotten a linux to work properly in the past and apparently I can't do it now so I'm missing something big somewhere.

Gnome debian installs fine. Install basic debian updates... Loads up and hangs on empty screen going nowhere fast. Restarts do the same thing. Didn't try recovery as I wouldn't know what to do with it. KDE debian installs fine then the taskbar just disappears on me randomly. Not changing activities it's just gone. Mint debian just like in my VM's icons are randomly disappearing and being replaced with basic default launcher icons. Seems to work otherwise but something that ridiculous shouldn't even be happening. Ubuntu 13.04, autohide on the unity bar on left. Once it hides it never comes back out again. Restarts and it's still gone. XFCE debian is the only one that seems to have no problems that I've noticed yet but was hoping for something with some style graphically.

What or where am I going wrong. All iso hashes are confirmed and verified. Have tried flash drive and burning dvd discs. Been playing with these things for the last 4-5 hours and they aren't cooperating at all. Using sig. Installed the latest official amd radeon driver on each one with virtually no trouble. Notably dual monitors never worked right either. The 2nd one was either disabled or mirroring the first one.

*EDIT* I see people using these things and singing their praises but I'm either missing something or I just have really bad luck somewhere. I don't know which or if people are talking up defective things from the start. I don't expect perfection of course but this is getting ridiculous.
Edited by Tadaen Sylvermane - 6/20/13 at 10:39pm
 
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Might be a graphics card driver incompatibility - or worse yet, it might be failing. Most of the other desktops you described have in build compositing and it sounds like a few of your issues are around that rendering (the icon launchers are less likely to be graphics card issue though).

Also, I'd run memtest86 to check that your RAM isn't failing, and the SMART tools to check that your HDD isn't failing.

Since the issues you're experiencing are unusual, inconsistent and spread across a number of different distros - I'd definitely investigate hardware first.
Edited by Plan9 - 6/21/13 at 12:53am
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My first though is video drivers too, or something failing as well. If you can get to a terminal and a web browser, open the terminal and type " lspci -k " and post the output here. Should tell you what graphics card you have and what driver. NVidias normally pretty good ( most of the time ) but if it's AMD or ATI then that's likely where the the issue is if it's the driver at least.

I still agree with plan9 to run memtest and smart tools just to be sure.
Edited by Shrak - 6/21/13 at 6:41am
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lspci -k
Code:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS880 Host Bridge
        Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS880 Host Bridge
00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (ext gfx port 0)
        Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:05.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780/RS880 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 1)
        Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:0a.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780/RS880 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
        Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode]
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device b002
        Kernel driver in use: ahci
00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5004
        Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
00:12.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0 USB OHCI1 Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5004
        Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5004
        Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5004
        Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
00:13.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0 USB OHCI1 Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5004
        Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5004
        Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 3c)
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology GA-MA770-DS3rev2.0 Motherboard
00:14.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5002
        Kernel driver in use: pata_atiixp
00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a102
        Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
        Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
00:14.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge
00:14.5 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5004
        Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h Processor HyperTransport Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h Processor Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h Processor DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h Processor Miscellaneous Control
        Kernel driver in use: k10temp
00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h Processor Link Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series]
        Subsystem: XFX Pine Group Inc. Device 2990
        Kernel driver in use: fglrx_pci
01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Juniper HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5700 Series]
        Subsystem: XFX Pine Group Inc. Device aa58
        Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
02:00.0 USB controller: NEC Corporation uPD720200 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 5007
        Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology GA-EP45-DS5/GA-EG45M-DS2H Motherboard
        Kernel driver in use: r8169
04:06.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212/AR5213 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
        Subsystem: D-Link System Inc Device 3a1b
        Kernel driver in use: ath5k
04:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
        Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology GA-EP45-DS5/GA-EG45M-DS2H Motherboard
        Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci

Smarts are coming up clean. Still waiting for a opening in time to do memtest as I need my computer most of the day.
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Might be a graphics card driver incompatibility - or worse yet, it might be failing. Most of the other desktops you described have in build compositing and it sounds like a few of your issues are around that rendering (the icon launchers are less likely to be graphics card issue though).

First thing I do on the xfce install is install docky and enable compositing. Having zero troubles with the xfce debian so don't know if that helps isolate or not.

Also I have trouble believing it's my hardware as everything works quite well in windows with zero trouble. No stuttering, hiccups, nothing. The beeping I had posted about in another thread stopped after I reinstalled world of warcraft. Not including the bsod's I had when my webcam driver was messed up the computer has crashed on me a grand total of twice in 3 years now.

*EDIT* Memtest looked good I think. Gave it plenty of time and everything is fine if I'm reading it right. Admittedly come upgrade time in the next month or two hopefully ram is first on my list... followed by ssd and gpu.

Main reason I'm doing this at all is I want to learn it, and I'd like to have a laptop specifically for linux. But I lose main interface on 3 of them, icons on mint are just an annoyance. It doesn't bode well for my personal belief in linux but I do want to believe it's viable. At the moment as my full installs are all messed up in some way (except xfce debian) I'm dumping them and going back to vm's for the time being unless someone has an idea. I'm sick of windows and everything I need to do I know is available in linux in some form.
Edited by Tadaen Sylvermane - 6/21/13 at 7:45pm
 
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Feel a fool now, Mint at least the icons were disappearing because I was messing with icon packs and I guess certain programs didn't have a icon in that package. Mint is fine, about to do a real install instead of VM with it. Still hoping for answer in regards to the other ones though. Wasn't messing with themes or anything on those.
 
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Feel a fool now, Mint at least the icons were disappearing because I was messing with icon packs and I guess certain programs didn't have a icon in that package. Mint is fine, about to do a real install instead of VM with it. Still hoping for answer in regards to the other ones though. Wasn't messing with themes or anything on those.

I thought this was a bare metal install?
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So in Debian you're having a driver issue? Maybe it's something with the driver and X version? I honestly don't know just making a guess based on what I remember being problems with AMD/ATI drivers in Linux.
     
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I thought this was a bare metal install?

It was a bare metal install but after the trouble I just went back to VM's. Replicated the disappearing icons and found the problem. Bare metal LMDE install now works great but I went ahead and went to regular mint 15 and it's also working wonderfully. I'm at a loss on the debian installs though. My videocard is branded ati not amd so that is the most likely culprit especially based on
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So in Debian you're having a driver issue? Maybe it's something with the driver and X version? I honestly don't know just making a guess based on what I remember being problems with AMD/ATI drivers in Linux.
I am aware that ATI never played nice with linux, may be why I've had trouble for so many years. I've always had ati / amd video cards. I'll stick with regular mint. Loving it and probably able to ditch windows altogether shortly.

Next build will be intel / nvidia for sure so I may have more success then... hopefully soon.
 
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It was a bare metal install but after the trouble I just went back to VM's. Replicated the disappearing icons and found the problem. Bare metal LMDE install now works great but I went ahead and went to regular mint 15 and it's also working wonderfully. I'm at a loss on the debian installs though. My videocard is branded ati not amd so that is the most likely culprit especially based on
I am aware that ATI never played nice with linux, may be why I've had trouble for so many years. I've always had ati / amd video cards. I'll stick with regular mint. Loving it and probably able to ditch windows altogether shortly.

Next build will be intel / nvidia for sure so I may have more success then... hopefully soon.

Nothing wrong with AMD CPUs. Just their drivers for Linux haven't been the best. Sometimes I think the opensource versions will catch up by the time they get the proprietary ones sorted out. That's definitely interesting considering Nvidia's situation. I don't even think Coolbits allows fan control in the 500-700 series.
     
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Update.

All is well now, on gnome xfce and kde. I was doing it wrong the whole time. For the debians at least I was installing the amd driver from the amd website. Not from the repos as I should. Nor was I making sure to config my xorg.conf file properly. Must lose windows mentality.
 
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