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Back when I worked as an IT contractor, we had a school with a rather low tech budget. So the project manager and I suggested they switch to Linux based OS in their computer lab; the lab was only used for online quizzes and educational quizzes.

When we brought up the presentation to the PTA meeting, the backlash was huge. You wouldn't believe how many parents were against the idea, to this day I still remember one parent saying "Why teach our children an obsolete technology that they will never use?"

From the past four years I've been in IT, I have learned that people don't like change.

ROFL. Not to go political...but people love talking about change. They just never want to do anything MEANINGFUL about it. You'd basically have to have the situation become extremely painful for them to finally change to something else.

As for convincing a bunch of PTA soccer moms...that's like trying to teach an amoeba Laplace transformations. What's really amusing is how they'll complain about costs of things and then when you bring up something that lowers those costs they'll fight against it. Hilarious.

PS: Did any of them spout the stuff about "Linux isn't American", etc.? Or did they not even know what it was.
     
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PS: Did any of them spout the stuff about "Linux isn't American", etc.? Or did they not even know what it was.

Some of them did go with "Linux isn't American" route, needless to say they were a really tough audience, we even had a box running Ubuntu. The first thing that came to mind was that old joke that if your child uses "Lunix" they might be a hacker.
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Some of them did go with "Linux isn't American" route, needless to say they were a really tough audience, we even had a box running Ubuntu. The first thing that came to mind was that old joke that if your child uses "Lunix" they might be a hacker.

Gotta love that old video...
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Some of them did go with "Linux isn't American" route, needless to say they were a really tough audience, we even had a box running Ubuntu. The first thing that came to mind was that old joke that if your child uses "Lunix" they might be a hacker.

Gotta love that old video...

AMD + Lunix!

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could be because I'm Canadian but I find it kind of funny that automatic negative thing in america seems to be 'It's un-American!'; but in Canada (at least around me) 'That's American!' carries equal negative meaning. Two tear health care? 'EW! Thats American! get that BS away!' complaining about Steven Harper 'Too American!' loosen gun control 'What do you want to be? gun capital of the world? OH WAIT.' A good deal of Canadian talk is dedicated to making fun of americans.
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Oh damn I forgot about that video. That is so funny. I mean, just where do these kinds of people come from is what I'd like to know.

@MikhailV: Did you even get the chance to explain the cost difference to them or where the pitch forks at your back before you got the chance? tongue.gif

Honestly, I sit in my "job" (volunteering accounting work for a hospital) and it's so funny listing to people complain about things in Windows that are so minor yet they can't control. But man, I missed being able to do "present all windows" today when I had to switch between several documents and spreadsheets. I miss being able to hit a key binding and type part of the name of the open file, hit enter, and be on my way. I mean I can deal with the funky "WIN+# that you pinned the program to taskbar position" followed by TAB until you get to the file (still faster than alt+tab when you have many docs open); but damn...that is still slow compared to KDE and other DEs in Linux. I swear, productivity gains would be tremendous in the business world if they taught people how to do that and use Linux.
     
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I've been doing a little research and the more I've learned, the more questioned.

Some of you might be aware of Munich's Linux migration, which was primarily done to avoid being dependent on Microsoft, but as it turns out it also saves them quite the amount of Euros every year since they avoid paying expensive licensing fees.

Germany isn't the only country (City of Munich and towns) which is adopting to Linux, Spain, French, Czech, Cuba, China, Turkey and many other countries (or agencies, cities, towns within those countries) are adopting to Linux.

My biggest question isn't why entire governments aren't adopting to Linux, but why aren't eg. schools or other institutions adopting to Linux? Schools usually have fairly tight budget, I believe avoiding outrageous licencing fees could really help them stepping up their game. I've seen institutions running over 100 PC's and the only software being used is Microsoft Word. I simply don't understand what is stopping them from switching to a free Linux distro and use Libre Office (apparently the 4.0 update is a gigantic step) and thus avoiding paying for the Windows OEM licence, Windows Enterprise and Microsoft Office.

English is my 4th language, feel free to current me if I'm using the wrong words or simply not correct about anything.

The issue is WHAT distro are they going to use, and how much are they willing to pay a tech to fix it when a package upgrade breaks the whole installation.
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In the military we use UNIX, Solaris, and redhat. At least that is what Ive worked with.
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The issue is WHAT distro are they going to use, and how much are they willing to pay a tech to fix it when a package upgrade breaks the whole installation.
Munich is going lubuntu because it's a good swap from windows xp, i assume most of the distros government supported will be lightweight ones, other than that, roll a dice to pick.
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I think it comes down to training, the IT staff will need retrained as well as the users.
 
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I think it comes down to training, the IT staff will need retrained as well as the users.

Depending on the size of the government in question, I'd hope there would be some IT staff skilled in Linux otherwise the aforementioned government has a rather incompetent IT department.
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