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Since I can't stand Windows 7 and it's sluggishness any more and and Func can't mobilize their asses and get a fix for Win8 for their MS-3 I think I will need to get a new mouse.

I will buy the mouse from here, and the most expensive one I would consider dropping the money for is the RAT 7.

http://www.pcgarage.ro/mouse-gaming/

For the reference, the RAT 7 is 357RON or 104 USD or 79euros.

I prefer gaming with high sensitivity (2500-3000dpi), I don't have any preferred genres of games, and I don't think I need anything fancier than the usual pair of side-buttons. MMO mice are excluded. I would also like to avoid prediction.if possible.

My grip is a more sensitive issue. Before I bought the MS-3, I used for 6 years an A4Tech X-750bk. I loved that mouse and I still do, but unfortunately, due to my fingertip grip and poor desk ergonomics my hand used to go numb after a few hours of use. I bought the Func thinking that I could get used to palm grip and alleviate my wrist pain. It worked, but I still find myself trying to fingertip grip this large, heavy mouse during intense games.

I was of buying the RAT7 since I can't test any mouse beforehand and if I find that my wrist starts to go numb again with a small fingertip grip shape, I can adjust it for palm grip during non-gaming days.

I really don't know what to do. Any advice?

PS: I can upload a picture of my hand on the Func if necessary. I think it's average size.
post #2 of 6
Before you buy something new, look into some kind of stretching exercise for wrist and hands. This is the minimum I have to do to avoid RSI pain coming back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ8kRMSLxz0

Hitting the gym and lifting also feels like it helps. If you somewhat like working out, are just a little too lazy at the moment, you might want to pick it up again.

I had to stop gaming and I blame palm grip and somewhat high sens. You should do a serious experiment with low sens and a tiny mouse for finger tip grip, not just try it for a little while and dislike it and give up. Try it for a week at 800-1000 dpi, also seriously look at 400-500 dpi.

My personal theory is that the tiny mouse is better for dealing with and preventing RSI problems, because the hand can do whatever it wants, grip the small mouse in various different ways instead of being forced into the shape the palm grip mouse demands. The low sens makes it so you will have to use a wider range of muscles and tendons to move it. This could be better for preventing injuries despite feeling like work.


EDIT: Also, I apologize for rambling... What I didn't mention, I started talking about stretching and exercise and health and whatnot, because you mentioned your hand feeling numb. That's usually nerves getting squeezed somewhere. It can happen everywhere from neck and shoulder to wrist. Some exercise and looking at how you are sitting might be more important than a different mouse. When you get a new mouse and change how you play, your problems may be gone for a little while, then come back over time.
Edited by deepor - 6/22/13 at 3:46pm
post #3 of 6
I've read that korean progamers have to play on lower sens for better blood cicrulation. Was a user, seemed informed.

Yeah that pain from hand to neck. Got it all, also numbness in the forearm. Many things play a role. From my experience: Mouse buttons stiffness and micro switch type: Can cause RSI pain but also numbness. Mouse weight. Shape and size: It helps to use a mouse which at least does not force your wrist always to lie flat. (Never had a big palm mouse for an extended period, can't comment on this.) Also the gap between your both arms when using WASD can trigger pain in the mouse arm, smaller keyboard helps. Arm angle: It should never come from above. From below i don't know exactly. From elbow to hand should be parallel to the floor with a 5 degree or less tolarance when the elbow is lower. That is the angle i've got and no pain. Sitting position, leave your feet on the floor.

Sensivity which is set so that you have to move your wrist extensively can cause huge problems, pain all over, but strangely not necessarely in the wrist. Putting the sens higher helps a lot. Bt maybe your numbess is caused by too high sensivity? Try finger tip, first without moving your arm, with such a sensivity that you neither move your wrist too much nor too little.
Edited by Jalal - 6/22/13 at 11:26pm
post #4 of 6
Found out that mouse buttons can definitely cause numbness in the wrist. (I am not fond on when to classify something as CTS, so i am just mentioning the symptoms)

So let's try the elimination method. If you don't have Autohotkey: http://www.autohotkey.com/

Write into the script only this:

(any key)::rbutton
(any key)::lbutton

example:

^::rbutton
c::lbutton

There are no custom terms, just the key press.
post #5 of 6
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Originally Posted by deepor View Post

Hitting the gym and lifting also feels like it helps.

It's probably not only a feeling. Eccentric (it means the "negative" portion of the lift, "lowering" in layman terms) resistance exercise is well and long known to be useful for tendonosis and tendon strengthening in general.

Some exercises to try. Be careful if you don't know what you're going to do and start with higher reps and a low execution speed in the beginning:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/freaky_forearm_training

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/massive_forearms_strong_grip


Some nerve sliding/gliding/flossing drills to calm down the nervous system:

http://www.thebodymechanic.ca/2012/03/05/nerve-slider-videos-calming-down-that-irritated-nervous-system/

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Originally Posted by deepor View Post

I had to stop gaming and I blame palm grip and somewhat high sens. You should do a serious experiment with low sens and a tiny mouse for finger tip grip, not just try it for a little while and dislike it and give up. Try it for a week at 800-1000 dpi, also seriously look at 400-500 dpi.

For me it's the opposite. Claw grip is horrible for my fingers (when I stop using the mouse after a while, they often shake) and wrist, palm is more relaxing. I've never tried finger tip grip though. How can you use that kind of grip with such low sens?

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Originally Posted by Jalal View Post

Sensivity which is set so that you have to move your wrist extensively can cause huge problems, pain all over, but strangely not necessarely in the wrist. Putting the sens higher helps a lot. Bt maybe your numbess is caused by too high sensivity? Try finger tip, first without moving your arm, with such a sensivity that you neither move your wrist too much nor too little.

For me lowering the sensitivity helped. But I played with a quite high sens before.
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For me it's the opposite. Claw grip is horrible for my fingers (when I stop using the mouse after a while, they often shake) and wrist, palm is more relaxing. I've never tried finger tip grip though. How can you use that kind of grip with such low sens?

I didn't mean moving the mouse with just fingers like on high sens. I just meant using a small mouse where your palm can't rest on it. For large movements, the arm definitely has to do work, but the wrist and fingers also always help some. I need a cloth pad as thumb, ring finger and pinky will rub on the pad and cloth feels better. I'm thinking of mice like Abyssus, G9x without the grips, Mico, Spawn/Xornet.
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