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whoever suggested a cad user get a ati 7970 is vrery very mean As a cad user I got gtx 680s because they are 2x better for cad than the 7970 and better than alot of firepro cards

and stay away from MS gaming mobos those are GARBAGE. I am sick of people recommending the wrong items. Known fact that gtx 680 does nearly twice the FPS as the 7970s. nvidia for cad radeons for datamining and not cad.

I bilt my buld for cad and its a trisli 680 dc2 3930k on rampage extreme

Honestly you need a non gpu type cpu for cad

I would recommend 3930k+gtx 680 or 770 assuming they transfered its cad capabilities to the next gen. If not 3770k over haswell. onestly with a pc thats only 4 years old just upgrade the graphics card to a heavy workstation card then in another year upgrade to IVY-e

What MB would you recommend then?
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Asus Maximus Gene VI Z87: $210
G.Skill Ripjaws Z 8GB (2x4) DDR3 2400: $160 + 10% off Promo Code on Newegg = $144
Seagate 600 Series 240GB SSD: $210 With 10% off promo code = $189
4670k: $240
OCZ ZT 650W Full-Modular Power Supply: $90 With 10% off promo code = $81 (features Far Cry 3 and $20 MIR)
Sapphire 7970 Ghz Edition Vapor X Card : $370 (features 4 free games, and a $20 MIR) (Chosen because it features 4 free games and a high memory bus and more memory, because you're switching over to a higher resolution monitor in the future).
Silverstone TJ08B-E: $100

Total before shipping or mail in rebates: $1334

That build would leave roughly $200 towards water cooling (*note, Sapphire card may be a non-reference cooler, I'm not sure) and meets all of your wants (under $1500, mATX, full modular power supply, and 256gb [240gb] SSD). If you would rather pick up a hyper threaded processor, there is room for that and still money left to go towards water cooling.

If you decide to go the hyperthreading route, I would go with a Maximus V Gene Z77 (has a $20 off promo where it would be $30 less than the Z87 counterpart) with a 3770k (also a $30 counter part to the 1150 counterpart) and you wouldn't take a realistic hit in performance and you would actually be able to overclock to a higher stable Ghz for $60 less.

Hope all goes well for you and your build!
Edited by Failuyr - 6/23/13 at 10:28pm
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The Rosewill Hive 650 watts is both cheaper and better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132
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Hi daveezy

Of course I have missed contributing to the great advice you have already received on here, I was asleep smile.gif

I recently upgraded from a system not too dissimilar to your own.

AMD 965BE to Haswell 4670K was a massive jump for me, and if you don't feel you need the cores the 4670K is a fair bit cheaper than the i7
the performance boost is immense, the motherboard features are great, finally leaving a bunch of legacy technology behind, no PCI slots on my Gryphon board.

Choose your memory/psu carefully, cooling will be depending what you want to try overclocking wise.

Have fun, I have been buzzing like an 8 year old on a gallon of cheap orange soda.
    
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Originally Posted by Failuyr View Post

Asus Maximus Gene VI Z87: $210
G.Skill Ripjaws Z 8GB (2x4) DDR3 2400: $160 + 10% off Promo Code on Newegg = $144
Seagate 600 Series 240GB SSD: $210 With 10% off promo code = $189
4670k: $240
OCZ ZT 650W Full-Modular Power Supply: $90 With 10% off promo code = $81 (features Far Cry 3 and $20 MIR)
Sapphire 7970 Ghz Edition Vapor X Card : $370 (features 4 free games, and a $20 MIR) (Chosen because it features 4 free games and a high memory bus and more memory, because you're switching over to a higher resolution monitor in the future).
Silverstone TJ08B-E: $100

Total before shipping or mail in rebates: $1334

That build would leave roughly $200 towards water cooling (*note, Sapphire card may be a non-reference cooler, I'm not sure) and meets all of your wants (under $1500, mATX, full modular power supply, and 256gb [240gb] SSD). If you would rather pick up a hyper threaded processor, there is room for that and still money left to go towards water cooling.

If you decide to go the hyperthreading route, I would go with a Maximus V Gene Z77 (has a $20 off promo where it would be $30 less than the Z87 counterpart) with a 3770k (also a $30 counter part to the 1150 counterpart) and you wouldn't take a realistic hit in performance and you would actually be able to overclock to a higher stable Ghz for $60 less.

Hope all goes well for you and your build!

That's awesome! This is exactly what I had in mind when I first started the thread. Thanks for giving me sort of like a baseline for my other option. thumb.gif

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The Rosewill Hive 650 watts is both cheaper and better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132

Nice, looks like it's modular too. And 650W is probably all that I'll need.

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Hi daveezy

Of course I have missed contributing to the great advice you have already received on here, I was asleep smile.gif

I recently upgraded from a system not too dissimilar to your own.

AMD 965BE to Haswell 4670K was a massive jump for me, and if you don't feel you need the cores the 4670K is a fair bit cheaper than the i7
the performance boost is immense, the motherboard features are great, finally leaving a bunch of legacy technology behind, no PCI slots on my Gryphon board.

Choose your memory/psu carefully, cooling will be depending what you want to try overclocking wise.

Have fun, I have been buzzing like an 8 year old on a gallon of cheap orange soda.

Yeah, I know I won't be needing anything more than an i5 since I won't be editing any videos at all so the 4760K is definitely on the list. I am in the process of finalizing all the parts and picking out a WC kit since I know I will definitely overclock my rig. Thanks for all the great advice from everyone here at OCN!
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whoever suggested a cad user get a ati 7970 is vrery very mean As a cad user I got gtx 680s because they are 2x better for cad than the 7970 and better than alot of firepro cards

and stay away from MS gaming mobos those are GARBAGE. I am sick of people recommending the wrong items. Known fact that gtx 680 does nearly twice the FPS as the 7970s. nvidia for cad radeons for datamining and not cad.

I bilt my buld for cad and its a trisli 680 dc2 3930k on rampage extreme

Honestly you need a non gpu type cpu for cad

I would recommend 3930k+gtx 680 or 770 assuming they transfered its cad capabilities to the next gen. If not 3770k over haswell. onestly with a pc thats only 4 years old just upgrade the graphics card to a heavy workstation card then in another year upgrade to IVY-e

So you don't realize that the 7970 and GTX 680 are very close in many games, I'm guessing you don't know that. Why is it such a bad thing to recommend a good graphics card? Compared to the price of a regular 680 with 2GB of VRAM, the 7970 at its price point with the extra gigabyte of VRAM is a very good choice. That's why I'll always chose it over the 680, because you'd have to shell out so much more for the extra memory. And you honestly think that the 680 will do twice the FPS of a 7970? And "they are 2x better for cad than the 7970", what?

Either way, I'm sticking with the 7970. You get 3GB of VRAM, and a wicked fast chip for a steal.

I honestly don't understand your post, it confuses the hell out of me. The OP most likely can't fit a 3930K, and either a 680/770 into his builds budget. That would eat up nearly 1/3 of his budget, depending on which kind of 770 you get. And then a good, quality motherboard that can OC well is most likely going to leave just a few hundred dollars for a PSU, data drive(s), a case, CPU cooler, and memory.

Lol wut? headscratch.gif
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whoever suggested a cad user get a ati 7970 is vrery very mean As a cad user I got gtx 680s because they are 2x better for cad than the 7970 and better than alot of firepro cards

and stay away from MS gaming mobos those are GARBAGE. I am sick of people recommending the wrong items. Known fact that gtx 680 does nearly twice the FPS as the 7970s. nvidia for cad radeons for datamining and not cad.

I bilt my buld for cad and its a trisli 680 dc2 3930k on rampage extreme

Honestly you need a non gpu type cpu for cad

I would recommend 3930k+gtx 680 or 770 assuming they transfered its cad capabilities to the next gen. If not 3770k over haswell. onestly with a pc thats only 4 years old just upgrade the graphics card to a heavy workstation card then in another year upgrade to IVY-e

proof of all these claims?

I7 only performs better than i5 when all cores are used (i.e. for Solidworks simulation, Abaqus, COSMOS, ANSYS , rendering).

Every benchmark I've seen puts the HD7970GE over the GK104 Nvidia Geforce in Solidworks and the Firepros on top except for the Quadro K5000 (depending on which drivers) which is way over his budget. The W7000 and K4000 are neck and neck with the newest drivers but on older drivers before April 2013 the Firepro W7000 was faster than the Quadro K5000.

It's the same story in Autodesk Inventor and PTC Creo 2.0 (the successor to PTC ProE). Inventor is a special case since it uses DirectX, so HD7970GE is the fastest, even faster than the Firepro W9000 equivalent.


In AutoCAD it's different but AutoCAD isn't very intensive unless you use 3D mode , then Geforce is the best bet not a Quadro.

You don't have to believe me, you can go on Solidworks' actual forum and read the recommended builds.
https://forum.solidworks.com/message/340783#340783
https://forum.solidworks.com/thread/64437?tstart=0
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Well if CAD is involved then Quadro/FireGl are cards to look at
at the moment though if you want combo gaming/cad maybe the compute power on the Radeons can be put to use, I have not tried this though.
    
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I looked into this when I built my own cad machine... And you showed the graph yourself... I don't know about solid works but as far as autodeskCAD GTX 680s got nearly twice the frame rate. It wasn't high end firepros it was lower end. had a descent edge in the programs I use.

and a yeah a 6core will beat out a 4core for seeing as the cad industry is switching over to a CPU hungry program. I forget what its called though.

As far as boards go I have no Idea I like my R.IV-e.

not gonna go dig for a graph i saw a year ago while I am running Stress tests


and if you're guessing anything about me you are wrong.

If he wasn't gaming I'd recommend a quadro.
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