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I'd say get him a good FM2 board, and either a second 7770 for crossfire, or a better GPU. My personaly 2 cents.
Possibly a new case because most dells use proprietary power switches for their case/motherboards and power supply since dell likes to provide sufficiently for the system it powers. At this point though he'll be basically building a new computer. Find out whether the motherboard of his current computer has any proprietaries (mainly power/reset switch) or possibly even different form factor. But at this point I would recommend opting for a budget PC build to gain the best results.

I agree with the majority of what Sentress says except one small thing... Even if the dell board has 2 GPU spots or even if you get a different board I would sell the 7770 and buy a new GPU or new GPU first then sell the 7770 so you don't have to go without. IMO crossfire and SLI is a cruddy way to increase performance unless you are trying to increase performance of the fastest card available or it offers a significantly better performance per dollar ratio and I don't mean slightly I mean significantly. The reason why is that sometimes running 2 cards does not scale well (meaning not near 2x the performance) in all games and could have other issue sometimes... Which is why you are better off buying a card that is 2x as fast than a second card. To be fair about the pricing difference you need to think about how much the old card is worth on ebay. So if it is worth $80 after shipping and fees (not saying that is what it is worth) and a 7950 costs $300 then then the 7950 really costs you $220 minus any value to you (not the retail value) for games it comes with that the cheaper card does not if the games have no value and it is worth it to you to sell the coupon codes on ebay then figure that in.

As for the board... if you can replace that board without replacing the case and PSU then go for it... if not then don't.

Like sentress said CHECK if it is proprietary. My grandmothers dell, brothers HP, and wifes gateyway where all standard Micro ATX boards with standard PSUs (although small PSUs) and standard everything. EXCEPT the dell did have a very specialized CPU cooler that relied on the motherboards location of the CPU socket. This wasn't an issue as I could use any aftermarket cooler BUT that was the only proprietary thing.

I have seen many many PCs that have used all sorts of crazy proprietary things that hamper upgradability BUT usually in the really small computers or the really really old ones as they have moved away from this bad habit probably to reduce production cost but I have no actual clue as to what the case will be in your situation.


Edit... you answered the question while I was typing this... so yeh that is a standard board and you can just upgrade it with another board that would have the ability to OC... Of course you can buy a used Z68 and a used 2500K for less than $200 total so that may be a waste of money depending on how you look at it. Keyword MAY since it all depends on how that CPU OC'd compares to an OC'd 2500K and how much exactly you paid for your 2500K and the Z68/Z77 board. You can run a 3570/3770 on a z68 as well but if you could find a 2500K for a lot less they isn't much of a point.

Again the a10 and it's motherboard have a used value to them so don't forget figuring that in. The used DELL motherboard has little to NO value sold without the CPU IMO... but you would have to verify that because it could be worth a bit on ebay if there is a high demand for it as a replacement part.
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I agree with the majority of what Sentress says except one small thing... Even if the dell board has 2 GPU spots or even if you get a different board I would sell the 7770 and buy a new GPU or new GPU first then sell the 7770 so you don't have to go without. IMO crossfire and SLI is a cruddy way to increase performance unless you are trying to increase performance of the fastest card available or it offers a significantly better performance per dollar ratio and I don't mean slightly I mean significantly. The reason why is that sometimes running 2 cards does not scale well (meaning not near 2x the performance) in all games and could have other issue sometimes... Which is why you are better off buying a card that is 2x as fast than a second card. To be fair about the pricing difference you need to think about how much the old card is worth on ebay. So if it is worth $80 after shipping and fees (not saying that is what it is worth) and a 7950 costs $300 then then the 7950 really costs you $220 minus any value to you (not the retail value) for games it comes with that the cheaper card does not if the games have no value and it is worth it to you to sell the coupon codes on ebay then figure that in.

As for the board... if you can replace that board without replacing the case and PSU then go for it... if not then don't.

Like sentress said CHECK if it is proprietary. My grandmothers dell, brothers HP, and wifes gateyway where all standard Micro ATX boards with standard PSUs (although small PSUs) and standard everything. EXCEPT the dell did have a very specialized CPU cooler that relied on the motherboards location of the CPU socket. This wasn't an issue as I could use any aftermarket cooler BUT that was the only proprietary thing.

I have seen many many PCs that have used all sorts of crazy proprietary things that hamper upgradability BUT usually in the really small computers or the really really old ones as they have moved away from this bad habit probably to reduce production cost but I have no actual clue as to what the case will be in your situation.


Edit... you answered the question while I was typing this... so yeh that is a standard board and you can just upgrade it with another board that would have the ability to OC... Of course you can buy a used Z68 and a used 2500K for less than $200 total so that may be a waste of money depending on how you look at it. Keyword MAY since it all depends on how that CPU OC'd compares to an OC'd 2500K and how much exactly you paid for your 2500K and the Z68/Z77 board. You can run a 3570/3770 on a z68 as well but if you could find a 2500K for a lot less they isn't much of a point.

Again the a10 and it's motherboard have a used value to them so don't forget figuring that in. The used DELL motherboard has little to NO value sold without the CPU IMO... but you would have to verify that because it could be worth a bit on ebay if there is a high demand for it as a replacement part.

I too agree with most of what I said.
post #13 of 18
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Thanks for the info REP+

Here's a picture of the case and PSU upgrade

Specs:
Mobo - Dell
CPU - AMD A10-5700
DRAM - Dell 4gb
GPU - AMD 7770
PSU - Seasonic 850W


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post #14 of 18
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Thanks for the info REP+

Here's a picture of the case and PSU upgrade

Specs:
Mobo - Dell
CPU - AMD A10-5700
DRAM - Dell 4gb
GPU - AMD 7770
PSU - Seasonic 850W


Awww so cute the nice little card on the nice little board in the huge gigantic case... Lots of room in there smile.gif

Sell the 7770 get a 7970 or a GTX 780

Go a lot further than buying a 3770K!
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So it's not worth upgrading to these parts?

Here's the specs he's planning
Mobo - ASUS P77
CPU - intel 3570K
DRAM - Vengeance
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So it's not worth upgrading to these parts?

Here's the specs he's planning
Mobo - ASUS P77
CPU - intel 3570K
DRAM - Vengeance

Not with a 7770 in there. Yes, the CPU would be a nice large upgrade, but if he's gaming...again the GPU is going to be more important.

Also, there's no reason to buy RAM either. He's got 4GB of DDR3. If anything, I'd maybe buy another 2x2GB of value RAM that's the same speed as the Dell RAM to save on money, so he's got 8GB. I'd say go for 2x2GB of Value DDR3 and a faster GPU right now.
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Coming from an AMD A10-5700, would it be better to go haswell or just stick with IVY?

How many more years will the 1155 socket last until its irrelavent like the 1156?
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Here's my lil bros upgrade. ASUS Maximus V Formula w/3570K.

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