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HOMECINEMA-PC 3930k@4.902@2407 2nd Hawk 1398 / 3628 @ 1.35v P10532 first attempt !



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I hope I can get these two Hawks to play nice

It's weird how the power limit on a stock hawk is lower than some of the.. for lack of better words, non-special cards.
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It's weird how the power limit on a stock hawk is lower than some of the.. for lack of better words, non-special cards.

I don't get either wth.gif

1398/1398 3626/3654 1.325v 3930k@4.9@2407 96.3fps 4031 Needs more mem but that's not too bad 0.9fps off my best thumb.gif

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Yes, I enabled SLI in the NVidia control panel when I swapped cards

k sry i had to check that 1st. smile.gif

It all starts with ur PSU. i looked at ur PSU make and model. And I believe someone else recently asked about the same PSU. And i believe it was concluded here that u have one of the few 750 watt PSUs that can handle GTX 750-SLI. smile.gif i think it has 40+40 amps. (At the top of this page, u could use 'Search This Thread' option to find the recent stuff said about ur PSU. Try it. And tell me if u find it and if i'm right.wink.gif)

If u haven't already, try uninstalling vid drivers and do a clean install of the latest nVidia drivers. (Afterwords, remember to re-enable SLI in the NCP. wink.gif)

The most important thing is that u use both 'Adaptive v-sync' and 'FXAA'. As a result, u should achieve a constant 60 FPS in all, but for a few, of the most resource intensive games. And that includes having all Video In-Game settings, set to Maximum. But at least, the few most intensive games out, should still average around 50 FPS or more. And that is more than acceptable. biggrin.gif

'Adaptive V-sync', will remove stutter and it STOPS the ever dreaded FPS drops of down to 30 FPS. (Because it temporarily disables and re-enables itself when needed. And it does it so fast u can't see it. All while keeping FPS capped at 60FPS on a 60Hz LCD or 120FPS on a 120Hz LCD.) Wat the old V-sync use to always do; is if performance dropped below 60 FPS (on a 60Hz LCD) the FPS would be cut in Half. That's why nVidia has it. smile.gif With the old V-sync FPS might even drop to 15 FPS. (Cut 60 in half and 30 in half; if performance dropped below 60 and 30 FPS.) NVidia's new G-Sync technology will be taking smoother game playing into the stratosphere in 2014. thumb.gif

Without any, Traditional V-Sync or Adaptive V-Sync; u will get stuttering. And especially with SLI. Because the FPS will erratically leap and jump very high for very short intervals. And it does so based on wat game ur in or the place in the game. And if u were to add any drooping to the scenario; like due to the Traditional V-sync; and well, u got a big, big old mess. wink.gif

'FXAA', can be used with traditional AA off. If u notice u still have enough juice to add a little traditional AA, u can experiment depending on the game. But i prefer FXAA On, and all Traditional AA Off. With FXAA alone, the stair step effects are reduced enough in most all games that any of it that remains, is totally excusable due to the fact that ur game's performance is so wicked sik due to no traditional AA; that the smoothness is blissful enough to compare to any machine's performance. thumb.gif It's only that more expensive PCs can actually use traditional AA too that gives them any advantage. But they have no smoother play than u should. All thanks to a combination of FXAA and Adaptive V-Sync.

If all the above doesn't help enough, then u most likely need to optimize ur Operating System for Gaming. Try using the techniques found in: The TweakGuides Tweaking Companion (TGTC). Use the Regular Edition (Free). The only thing the Free version lacks is pictures. And everyone is familiar enough with Windows 7 now that pics are not needed as much, to navigate around the OS settings. If u have Windows 8, well maybe the pictures would be nice. And, by the way, the TGTC Author is as qualified a Games and PC Guru as there ever was. He started writing Game Guides eons ago. But nVidia hired him to write a BF3 Guide on the NVidia website, and he's still writing for them. I'm sure he is busy now writing a BF4 guide for them. The TGTC Author focuses on optimizing individual games; but knows it's best to 1st optimize ur OS. And only then after doing so, Optimizing ur Games. smile.gif

With the TGTC, besides all the old tricks starting with MSConfig, 1st thing that comes to mind is the way it explains optimizing ur Windows Services is so important to do. Because if u build a PC and install the OS urself, then u probably have a lot of unnecessary Services running. Of course there's countless other things that need to be tweaked. If u don't, u can just keep wasting money building newer and newer PCs every year or two. But a PC with an optimized system (OS) can last twice as long and not need to be updated as soon. I'm still using LGA1366 np watsoever playing all the top games like Crysis 3 at 60FPS Maxed out. A few ppl employed by EVGA that are in charge of their forums are still using LGA1366 technology. Why? Because in addition to having optimized games, they have Optimized Operating Systems (Windows). And that Optimizes the Hardware's resources and allow u to get much more out of them.

I still prefer disabling Windows Defragger and using MyDefrag v4.3.1 HERE. I've used it since Windows XP. Installing the extra scripts can help a lot too. After installation they can be found in the installation folder. (Don't forget disabling Windows Defragger.)

Last but not least, is wat can be accomplished with a Full Backup Plan that includes a fully functioning and (repeatedly) tested restoration(s). Because with a proper Backup Plan, u can backup everything when everything is working perfectly and flawlessly! And when things get all messed-up; just restore a perfect back-up. I noticed this week that Acronis True Image 2014 is just out now. (2011 was fine for Win7 but Acronis 2013 suked.) If u have not perfected using it or anything like it, the biggest companies have chosen it for their OEM apps. Over all other possible applications to go with Intel, Seagate, Western Digital, Buffalo, Kingston, Cisco, and many more companies use Acronis in there OEM applications for backups. If u never ever master making Full Backups and Restoring them, u'll miss out on Scientifically fixing and optimizing ur system.

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k sry i had to check that 1st. smile.gif

It all starts with ur PSU. i looked at ur PSU make and model. And I believe someone else recently asked about the same PSU. And i believe it was concluded here that u have one of the few 750 watt PSUs that can handle GTX 750-SLI. smile.gif i think it has 40+40 amps. (At the top of this page, u could use 'Search This Thread' option to find the recent stuff said about ur PSU. Try it. And tell me if u find it and if i'm right.wink.gif)

If u haven't already, try uninstalling vid drivers and do a clean install of the latest nVidia drivers. (Afterwords, remember to re-enable SLI in the NCP. wink.gif)

The most important thing is that u use both 'Adaptive v-sync' and 'FXAA'. As a result, u should achieve a constant 60 FPS in all, but for a few, of the most resource intensive games. And that includes having all Video In-Game settings, set to Maximum. But at least, the few most intensive games out, should still average around 50 FPS or more. And that is more than acceptable. biggrin.gif

'Adaptive V-sync', will remove stutter and it STOPS the ever dreaded FPS drops of down to 30 FPS. (Because it temporarily disables and re-enables itself when needed. And it does it so fast u can't see it. All while keeping FPS capped at 60FPS on a 60Hz LCD or 120FPS on a 120Hz LCD.) Wat the old V-sync use to always do; is if performance dropped below 60 FPS (on a 60Hz LCD) the FPS would be cut in Half. That's why nVidia has it. smile.gif With the old V-sync FPS might even drop to 15 FPS. (Cut 60 in half and 30 in half; if performance dropped below 60 and 30 FPS.) NVidia's new G-Sync technology will be taking smoother game playing into the stratosphere in 2014. thumb.gif

Without any, Traditional V-Sync or Adaptive V-Sync; u will get stuttering. And especially with SLI. Because the FPS will erratically leap and jump very high for very short intervals. And it does so based on wat game ur in or the place in the game. And if u were to add any drooping to the scenario; like due to the Traditional V-sync; and well, u got a big, big old mess. wink.gif

'FXAA', can be used with traditional AA off. If u notice u still have enough juice to add a little traditional AA, u can experiment depending on the game. But i prefer FXAA On, and all Traditional AA Off. With FXAA alone, the stair step effects are reduced enough in most all games that any of it that remains, is totally excusable due to the fact that ur game's performance is so wicked sik due to no traditional AA; that the smoothness is blissful enough to compare to any machine's performance. thumb.gif It's only that more expensive PCs can actually use traditional AA too that gives them any advantage. But they have no smoother play than u should. All thanks to a combination of FXAA and Adaptive V-Sync.

If all the above doesn't help enough, then u most likely need to optimize ur Operating System for Gaming. Try using the techniques found in: The TweakGuides Tweaking Companion (TGTC). Use the Regular Edition (Free). The only thing the Free version lacks is pictures. And everyone is familiar enough with Windows 7 now that pics are not needed as much, to navigate around the OS settings. If u have Windows 8, well maybe the pictures would be nice. And, by the way, the TGTC Author is as qualified a Games and PC Guru as there ever was. He started writing Game Guides eons ago. But nVidia hired him to write a BF3 Guide on the NVidia website, and he's still writing for them. I'm sure he is busy now writing a BF4 guide for them. The TGTC Author focuses on optimizing individual games; but knows it's best to 1st optimize ur OS. And only then after doing so, Optimizing ur Games. smile.gif

With the TGTC, besides all the old tricks starting with MSConfig, 1st thing that comes to mind is the way it explains optimizing ur Windows Services is so important to do. Because if u build a PC and install the OS urself, then u probably have a lot of unnecessary Services running. Of course there's countless other things that need to be tweaked. If u don't, u can just keep wasting money building newer and newer PCs every year or two. But a PC with an optimized system (OS) can last twice as long and not need to be updated as soon. I'm still using LGA1366 np watsoever playing all the top games like Crysis 3 at 60FPS Maxed out. A few ppl employed by EVGA that are in charge of their forums are still using LGA1366 technology. Why? Because in addition to having optimized games, they have Optimized Operating Systems (Windows). And that Optimizes the Hardware's resources and allow u to get much more out of them.

I still prefer disabling Windows Defragger and using MyDefrag v4.3.1 HERE. I've used it since Windows XP. Installing the extra scripts can help a lot too. After installation they can be found in the installation folder. (Don't forget disabling Windows Defragger.)

Last but not least, is wat can be accomplished with a Full Backup Plan that includes a fully functioning and (repeatedly) tested restoration(s). Because with a proper Backup Plan, u can backup everything when everything is working perfectly and flawlessly! And when things get all messed-up; just restore a perfect back-up. I noticed this week that Acronis True Image 2014 is just out now. (2011 was fine for Win7 but Acronis 2013 suked.) If u have not perfected using it or anything like it, the biggest companies have chosen it for there OEM apps. Over all other possible applications to go with Intel, Seagate, Western Digital, Buffalo, Kingston, Cisco, and many more companies use Acronis in there OEM applications for backups. If u never ever master making Full Backups and Restoring them, u'll miss out on Scientifically fixing and optimizing ur system.

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I can't thank you enough for taking the time to respond to this - I really appreciate the help! I'm new to the world of SLI and, so far, have been disappointed with the results that I've been getting compared to what I'm seeing online. In the benchmark for Last Light, the FPS dropped down to 7fps for one frame! So hopefully this will greatly improve the experience!

It looks like the PSU that was being discussed was a modular unit - I have a non-modular unit but the specs appear to be the same.

Before I move on to optimizing the OS, I'll try out the first methods you mention (adaptive v-sync and FXAA with a clean install of the newest driver) and let you know if there are any improvements. Just a few more questions -

With adaptive v-sync turned on in the control panel, I'm assuming I'd turn off v-sync in games, correct?

Do I enable FXAA in the control panel, or in individual games? I'd like to run SSAA in Last Light for what it does with texturing and smoothing, but was wondering how that all works together (or not). I guess I just figured that I'd be able to run the latest AA techniques with the setup - but again, new to the whole SLI world so I could be completely wrong!

And this might seem like a simple question - how do I uninstall old nVidia drivers? I've never had to do this in the past, so this is all new to me! I have the latest driver from nVidia - would I uninstall this too and re-download/install?

Thanks again!
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I might be asking something i obviously missed but is there anyway to push more voltage through my HAWK other than the puny 12mV ? redface.gif

* oh and Bender 24 we share the same psu biggrin.gif , very solid quality build with 40+40 Amp for SLi * thumb.gif
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I can't thank you enough for taking the time to respond to this - I really appreciate the help! I'm new to the world of SLI and, so far, have been disappointed with the results that I've been getting compared to what I'm seeing online. In the benchmark for Last Light, the FPS dropped down to 7fps for one frame! So hopefully this will greatly improve the experience!

It looks like the PSU that was being discussed was a modular unit - I have a non-modular unit but the specs appear to be the same.
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Before I move on to optimizing the OS, I'll try out the first methods you mention (adaptive v-sync and FXAA with a clean install of the newest driver) and let you know if there are any improvements. Just a few more questions -

With adaptive v-sync turned on in the control panel, I'm assuming I'd turn off v-sync in games, correct?

Do I enable FXAA in the control panel, or in individual games? I'd like to run SSAA in Last Light for what it does with texturing and smoothing, but was wondering how that all works together (or not). I guess I just figured that I'd be able to run the latest AA techniques with the setup - but again, new to the whole SLI world so I could be completely wrong!

And this might seem like a simple question - how do I uninstall old nVidia drivers? I've never had to do this in the past, so this is all new to me! I have the latest driver from nVidia - would I uninstall this too and re-download/install?

Thanks again!

np. i can tell u read my reply, thoroughly. so ty for ur great reply reply. smile.gif

most of the questions u ask i'm only starting to grasp the answers to. so i'll try my best to answer them and if i'm wrong i'm sure someone here on this thread will correct me. if u can research and correct anything i say i'd appreciate it.

so, off the top of my head, it seems that FXAA will work regardless of where u enable it. (Awesome, aye?) Some newer games have it in their in-game settings and some don't. and that's why nowadays the newest Vid drivers are best. they have more game profiles updated.

wat's cool, is if the NCP shows that a game doesn't support FXAA, that only means that the option(s) to enable FXAA in that game DO actually exist. YAY! thumb.gif (Example: Mad Max 3 has not one but varying degrees. Low Medium and Max FXAA i think.) i need a couple other examples and eventually absolute proof or course. (I think the new Tomb Raider only has On and Off FXAA in-game settings.)

Also, i believe, and this is easy to test; that Adaptive V-sync set in the NCP will override all permutations of a Game's In-game Settings; regardless if V-sync is On or if it is OFF in-game. If it is enabled in the NCP, then it overrides the game's setting for v-Sync. Hurray!thumb.gif Because that makes life very simple. wink.gif (if u learn to tell when Adaptive V-Sync switches itself by observing Stair-step effects briefly appearing, then u know that Adaptive V-Sync is working.)

Recently someone suggested that using only FXAA, and this was in FC3, resulted in poor AA on things and they pointed out how grass looked worse with only FXAA and no other AA watsoever. so i tested several times and didn't see it myself. And reminded myself of the following:

Always try to remember, that permutations are very simple with just a couple factors. but adding one additional factor can make the number off possibilities explode! So, rather than trying several things combined, try a single factor; such as FXAA all by lonesome self. Then, make as many observations as possible. If negative things occur then perfect! u have them accounted for, and with the fewest probabilities involved. So that being said, don't worry as much about two things combined. Start with one thing. Then try only one completely other thing. And after observing the two things completely separately, then, u can combine the two. And observe the effect of the two with some knowledge of the effect(s) of each one only singularly aplied.

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And this might seem like a simple question - how do I uninstall old nVidia drivers? I've never had to do this in the past, so this is all new to me! I have the latest driver from nVidia - would I uninstall this too and re-download/install?

i almost overlooked this. too bad i did. it is very telling.

Because, nVidia drivers perform so poorly when u do something called, "installing them on top of themselves" or not being "installed cleanly". Not just do they perform badly, but they also end up acting very very deviously. as bad as a monomaniacal mad scientist like in the original Far Cry. (cool! i've always wanted to use that phrase.biggrin.gif)

Wat i mean is, that with nVidia drivers not properly installed or just the same like u have; u removed a vid card and replaced it; the drivers can cause a type of havoc out of the blue. like BSODs and freezes and CTD (Crash To Desktop) and poor game performance. But it doesn't start happening until hours if not days and days later. So nobody thinks of associating bad Vid drivers to those problems because the PC worked for so long and so very well, after the bad driver installation occurred. crazy,aye? (i've tested and proven it and repeatedly re-created the scenario.)

And if ppl don't answer questions, and read, like u have, it usually never gets properly included as a possible problem.

So, all u have to remember is that one of several problems u have or may have is:

A. Need to learn how to Properly Uninstall and Properly Install a Fresh Copy of nvidia Drivers.

oh, and so i don't overlook it. Always manually DL the entire driver to ur Hard Drive. Then install it from ur Hard Drive. All can be found out how to further on:

It is the most common gaming Hardware topic on the internet. Everyone learns it sooner or later. Just google it. Remember to use YouTube as an alternative if not the 1st option. But don't get techniques from past years confused. Things have changed and been made much much simpler (BIG YAY!smile.gif), with a New Option u can select during an nVidia Driver installation:

The "Perform a Clean Installation" option, that appears while doing a "Custom" installation. (Express and Custom are the first two options after the driver extracts itself.)

Go to Youtube and search: "nvidia Perform a Clean Installation". do wat a reputable Vid says to do or ask ppl here if they like said vid u found. or if they have a link to a better vid.

And Note: during the Custom installation, only include "Graphic Driver" and "PhysX System Software". (Maybe HD Audio Driver. i think it is safe regardless if u need it. try skipping but remeber u skipped it.) And unless ur already addicted to using it, skip, "Nvidia GeForce Experience". Remember the permutation scenario. Always keep things simple. U could argue that "Nvidia GeForce Experience" exists because of this and that, but it is not needed. It might help someone with low caliber hardware to quickly optimize their games. or let's say if they had just switched from only playing console games and they expected there PC to act like a Mac and magically work perfectly all the time.lol

GL smile.gif

Edit: and thinking, that ur PSU is exact same specs as that one with 40+40 Amps, is not enough. if the Correct Full Model Number of ur PSU is not in ur Specs add it, plz. Remember to verify u have either the 40+40 Amps or anything totally between around 60 to 90 amps. i believe that is a good rough estimate of the minimal needed for GTX 780-SLI. Without enough Amps ur not ever going to get good performance. And u could even reduce the life of Hardware. But i think that H and other something acronym tells the big story and u DO have a good PSU. we'll see...

Edit: if, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371066 is urs i think it should be fine. (compare the entire model number.) smile.gif

Edit: A Pretty good Vid to follow for Driver installation:
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I'm the opposite, I just plan on selling the game CD key haha. Not a big fan of single player games, but if I ever choose to play one, I'll buy it on sale from steam or some other sites. But they really do take Physx to the next level with that game, no wonder they bundled it with their cards, they want to show off their Physx advancements lol

You do realize that Arkham Origins has multiplayer also, right? biggrin.gif
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You do realize that Arkham Origins has multiplayer also, right? biggrin.gif
I didn't recive it with my card sad-smiley-002.gif
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I didn't recive it with my card sad-smiley-002.gif

that is as common as the claim, "funniest Vid ever, on YouTube".

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that is as common as the claim, "funniest Vid ever, on YouTube".

Where did u buy it?

In the local market
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