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since evga is an AIB partner, nvidia wouldn't be involved with that choice of using a 670 pcb.

But the reference design, which is designed by Nvidia, is in fact the short PCB.
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Thanks for the quick responses everyone. Personally I really like the look of the blower style, but I'm just a bit nervous about buying after my reference 7950 experience.
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since evga is an AIB partner, nvidia wouldn't be involved with that choice of using a 670 pcb.

But the reference design, which is designed by Nvidia, is in fact the short PCB.
still has no bearing on the question asked
good example of anecdotal evidence thumb.gif
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Thanks for the quick responses everyone. Personally I really like the look of the blower style, but I'm just a bit nervous about buying after my reference 7950 experience.

AMD's reference cooling designs do leave a lot to be desired, to the point of having to promise that their next-gen cards will have better coolers.

In contrast, while NVIDIA's reference cooler may be somewhat louder and less efficient than 3rd-party designs from their AIB partners (e.g. EVGA's ACX, Gigabyte's WindForce, MSI's Twin Frozr), it's still more than capable of decent performance.
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still has no bearing on the question asked
good example of anecdotal evidence thumb.gif

You sound quite confused about what "anecdotal evidence" is.
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still has no bearing on the question asked
good example of anecdotal evidence thumb.gif

You sound quite confused about what "anecdotal evidence" is.

no not at all i'll give an example:
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I would think the shorter PCB is mainly for cutting costs.
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Because of the relatively low power consumption of GK104 relative to past high-end NVIDIA GPUs, NVIDIA has developed a penchant for small cards. While the GTX 680 was a rather standard 10” long, NVIDIA also managed to cram the GTX 690 into the same amount of space. Meanwhile the GTX 670 takes this to a whole new level.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-review-feat-evga/2

shorter PCB because of power requirements : FACT
thinking a shorter PCB means cutting cost : anecdotal evidence

i won't even get into:
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Nvidia seems to be doing a lot of that lately.
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Yes you clearly don't know what "anecdotal evidence" is, but thank you for showing that yourself.

A short PCB may be enough to support stock speeds, but it's been demonstrated pretty clearly that a better power design results in better overclocking. Hence, Nvidia not going with the better, more expensive design = cutting costs.
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thinking a shorter PCB means cutting cost : anecdotal evidence
It's true actually. Don't tell me you don't even know about non-standard ATX form factored motherboards in the market. Companies do that, and that's completely fine.
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Yes you clearly don't know what "anecdotal evidence" is, but thank you for showing that yourself.

A short PCB may be enough to support stock speeds, but it's been demonstrated pretty clearly that a better power design results in better overclocking. Hence, Nvidia not going with the better, more expensive design = cutting costs.

you said it yourself, "i think" making a claim without any scientific proof is anecdotal evidence:
anecdotal evidence

Main Entry: anecdotal evidence
Part of Speech: n
Definition: non-scientific observations or studies, which do not provide proof but may assist research efforts

now lets see you produce some documentation that states it is cheaper to design and manufacture the smaller PCBs then you may have something; it could just as well be the cost rose. nor do you have anything to show with your recent claim that infers the power design is lacking for the kepler cards.

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thinking a shorter PCB means cutting cost : anecdotal evidence
It's true actually. Don't tell me you don't even know about non-standard ATX form factored motherboards in the market. Companies do that, and that's completely fine.

ah. but it isn't nearly as much as a smaller PCB that makes most of the mATX boards cheaper but lesser components such as expansion slots which leads to not needing the larger size . .
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You could have linked the widely accepted, much more straight forward definition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
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The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes.

As for cost, the shorter PCB does have less componentry. I believe svenge already noted how the short PCB has less power phases.
Edited by Snuckie7 - 6/29/13 at 11:48pm
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