Originally Posted by mayford5
Here is the issue. Again I am coming at this with the view from an IT professional. I work daily with Win7, and the multitasking is such that I can drag any window I want around to where I want it when I want to and to what monitor I want it on. I can have windows lining the taskbar and have easy access to them and I don't have to go to some silly screen while multitasking to select a different program in order for me to use my daily programs. Currently the only way for me to pin things to the task bar is to go find them in program files and actually drag the exe file to it. I can't even make shortcuts without searching for them in explorer. No righ-click, pin to taskbar? You have to be joking.
Second No that is not what people are "getting their tits in a knot about" It is the fact that on a daily basis Win8 and now 8.1 is the most inefficient (time wise) GUI since the invention of the GUI. Switching back and forth between the desktop and metro and then back to my multitasked desktop is just the dumbest thing ever. The only thing metro should be on is something with a touchscreen. I have no problems with it on those types of devices. I have one myself and it is a joy to use. They should never have joined Windows Mobile with desktop. There was a reason it was called Windows Mobile.
So here is where my "tits are in a knot" as you so eloquently put it. Why in the world would you have a consumer based, Mobile based GUI in a business based OS? And further more why on Earth would you make the Server versions have the same crappy resource hogging GUI when you want a server to have a Minimalistic approach. Why I ask? Because of progress for the sake of progress.
Just saying that this is the WinME and WinVista to Win7. See the trend? Let's break Windows so people will get used to it sucking and then we can bring out something not as bad and they will be happy with it.
MS needs to get back to the basics for Enterprise usage and stop the crappy consumer GUIs on something that wasn't broken in the first place. Progress for the sake of Progress is still just wrong no matter how you look at it.
I'm an I.T. professional and I agree with most of your statements.
1. It installed fairly quickly to a VM and seems to run very well on it.
2. Metro could be useful if they would eliminate the desktop.
3. The performance gains are fairly substantial.
1. The metro interface: While it is useful, and I do like it's layout much better with the addition of a Start button. It's still seems superfluous and tacked on. I don't get why I boot into Metro then when I close an application I get booted to the desktop. This is poor design. Why can't it bring me back to the Metro interface? Why aren't there at least the same shortcuts on the desktop that I have on my Start Screen. To the average user who has trouble using an iPhone this won't do. I can't have my users wasting time looking for things and figuring out how Windows works when they're supposed to be working
. And the inclusion of the Metro interface in Server 2012 is down right baffling especially since there is no readily apparent way to make a custom Live Tile ( there is a way to do it, but it's obnoxious). I can't create shortcuts easily for Metro, meaning I have to go to the desktop to do it. Every time I have to go to the desktop makes me question why Microsoft wants to use this new UI.
2. Performance gains: Unless you're running virtual desktops on thin or zero clients (which is what I suspect is actually what Windows 8 resource allocation is geared for in the future)
Then you have a great number of users still using PC's. I see people on this board raving about it's performance gains, and rightfully so since it's an overclocking forum. But for 99% of my users these performance gains are useless. Most of my users use Office, a web browser, a CRM solution, and a small custom app to log activity. What performance increases are these users going to see on a 4GB dual core machine? None, and certainly none that they would notice, and none that would actually benefit them enough to justify the time and money to upgrade to W8.
3. Office 2013: This one is a sore point. Office 2013 is a joke on Windows 8. It requires you to use the desktop. It doesn't support live tiles. The mail app that is so prominently displayed on the Start Screen doesn't use or default to Outlook when installed, this is asinine. I essentially have to configure Active Sync as if I were on a mobile device to get it to use the mail app on the start screen to display messages from Exchange. Why isn't there an Outlook Live Tile that replaces this?!?!? Worst of all the machine I'm on is joined to a domain and I had to configure Active Sync! Once you do have it configured and have the mail app running all you can do is type send and receive email. No features come over from Exchange (with the exception of security policies for Active Sync) or Outlook. No flagging, rules management, quicksteps, nothing! Office and Metro interact in meaningful way on every level. It's border line insulting. It's almost as bone headed as their DRM polices were for the Xbone.
The calendar app, again, prominently displayed on the start screen, is the same. It doesn't utilize Exchange, there's no Live Tile for it , and the functionality of it is completely stripped down after it's configured in the Calendar app on the Start Screen.
Is this a joke? I'm supposed to go in front of executives and demonstrate how this interface doesn't utilize Microsoft's own platforms and infrastructure. How this brand new direction doesn't take advantage of the companies new software.
We're deploying Dynamics CRM 2011 in my business right now. Wouldn't it be nice if Windows 8 had a live tile or even an alternate start screen that worked as a portal to the CRM? It's "little" things like this that will keep Windows 8 in the dump bin, the team developing it seemed completley out of touch with the rest of MS and vice-versa in many cases.
It has some nice feature but Windows 8 shouldn't be used in a business for it's baffling design choices. For experienced users the UI is a hurdle that can be over come with a little work. For your average end user and below it would be a nightmare on productivity, and it would take them hours, if not days to get accustom to it, let alone to be at the point where a user can confidently.