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Oh yeah, server context, like Opterons. Like the Opteron that is sitting right next to me in a consumer motherboard, with consumer ram, power supply, case, and graphics card? Or the Opterons that were used in workstations.

AMD can't keep Opteron server exclusive anymore, not when they have such horrific market share for x86 servers.

And look at how much not having Opteron on consumer socket is hurting AMD with AM3+. They would at least be selling 8m/16c to some people if there were some sort of server or workstation that used AM3+. But instead they just completely leave consumers who want that multi-threaded performance hanging out to dry.

What good is that? AMD is completely crippling their high end offerings by not giving consumers access to Opterons and server chips. To add insult to injury, AMD is the only company in the world that is capable of a dual CPU platform that can be overclocked at all (via bus overclocking), and the people who actually want it (I know they're extremely few) can't even get it.

It makes absolutely no sense for AMD to divide their product stack like this when they're constantly talking about how they're trying to diversify their products so that they can be interchangeably used as building blocks.

This is what I'm getting at. There's little reason why AMD wouldn't just merge HEDT, workstation, and some server platforms together. It actually would be easier on AMD, it'd be better for customers, and it gives people more choices.

I know without a doubt I'd have a 6m/12c CPU right now and it'd be OCed if it were possible.

I am well aware of the presentation. It was made by an AMD manager from the Server division. The drop in card is designed for server motherboards.
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Oh yeah, server context, like Opterons. Like the Opteron that is sitting right next to me in a consumer motherboard, with consumer ram, power supply, case, and graphics card? Or the Opterons that were used in workstations.

AMD can't keep Opteron server exclusive anymore, not when they have such horrific market share for x86 servers.

And look at how much not having Opteron on consumer socket is hurting AMD with AM3+. They would at least be selling 8m/16c to some people if there were some sort of server or workstation that used AM3+. But instead they just completely leave consumers who want that multi-threaded performance hanging out to dry.

What good is that? AMD is completely crippling their high end offerings by not giving consumers access to Opterons and server chips. To add insult to injury, AMD is the only company in the world that is capable of a dual CPU platform that can be overclocked at all (via bus overclocking), and the people who actually want it (I know they're extremely few) can't even get it.

It makes absolutely no sense for AMD to divide their product stack like this when they're constantly talking about how they're trying to diversify their products so that they can be interchangeably used as building blocks.

This is what I'm getting at. There's little reason why AMD wouldn't just merge HEDT, workstation, and some server platforms together. It actually would be easier on AMD, it'd be better for customers, and it gives people more choices.

I know without a doubt I'd have a 6m/12c CPU right now and it'd be OCed if it were possible.

I am well aware of the presentation. It was made by an AMD manager from the Server division. The drop in card is designed for server motherboards.

And the point I'm making is that AMD was much better off when they didn't isolate server parts as much as they used to. AMD is kneecapping themselves right now by not making Opterons available on the same socket as what desktop buyers use.

As it is now, AMD would have to either take a huge risk in selling $400+ 6m/12c parts on AM3+ and sending good dies to consumers instead of server or vice versa. If they were the same, it wouldn't be a problem that they'd have to deal with.

But the issue is only going to get far worse as time goes on. Imagine how many people and companies who need powerful workstations would, given AMD's current situation, be stuck with either a single APU workstation when they're used to buying Intel rigs with between one and four quadros or teslas?

At that point, not only is AMD limiting their choices of consumers, but now software vendors who develop demanding software will have to choose between supporting higher end workstation offerings with Teslas and Quadros or supporting a single APU system.
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Anybody else find it crazy that we are four days from launch and the leaks are still at a trickle?

Other than the moderately sketchy Puget systems leak and the engineering sample benches, we still have very little in reliable x86 performance.

Ugh. Someone break NDA. Now.
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As much as we want to hear more leaked details about Steamroller, Mantle, and the APUs, its only 96 hours until we start to hear the best of what's to come ... so let's keep those folks under the NDAs with all of the info free and clear from the legal authorities! thumb.gif
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Anybody else find it crazy that we are four days from launch and the leaks are still at a trickle?

Other than the moderately sketchy Puget systems leak and the engineering sample benches, we still have very little in reliable x86 performance.

Ugh. Someone break NDA. Now.

Considering how AMD handled the Hawaii GPU release, I'm not surprised by what's happening with SR at all. AMD has finally learnt the best way to hype a product is to not talk about it and let people who are enthusiastic about the product talk about it. At least that way, if everyone is wrong, there's not another JF-AMD.

Either that or this is more classic AMD, when they stay quiet about good products and then hype disappointments. I am not sure, Hawaii caught a lot of people off guard and it was a really good strategy for AMD, specially considering you still can find R9 series sold out after the coin mining hype died down.
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I was surprised about the 512-bit bus and 4GB VRAM myself, as least after I had learned a bit about GPUs. The Radeon 5000 series had up to a 128-bit bus (I think), 6000 256-bit, and 7000 384-bit, so why shouldn't the 8000 series' flagship have a 512-bit bus? That was my logic until I learned why that wasn't necessarily optimal. I wasn't expecting a Titan-killer but was pleasantly surprised by the VRAM (for 4k and Eyefinity) and the ~Titan-780Ti performance.

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As much as we want to hear more leaked details about Steamroller, Mantle, and the APUs, its only 96 hours until we start to hear the best of what's to come ... so let's keep those folks under the NDAs with all of the info free and clear from the legal authorities! thumb.gif

I'll take information from actual, reputable sources, please. No more random Asians posting these leaked benchmarks and having Google Translate fail hilariously to translate it to English (or other Western European languages) when news sites, desperate for page views and ad revenue post them as legitimate, authoritative sources.
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And the point I'm making is that AMD was much better off when they didn't isolate server parts as much as they used to. AMD is kneecapping themselves right now by not making Opterons available on the same socket as what desktop buyers use.

As it is now, AMD would have to either take a huge risk in selling $400+ 6m/12c parts on AM3+ and sending good dies to consumers instead of server or vice versa. If they were the same, it wouldn't be a problem that they'd have to deal with.

But the issue is only going to get far worse as time goes on. Imagine how many people and companies who need powerful workstations would, given AMD's current situation, be stuck with either a single APU workstation when they're used to buying Intel rigs with between one and four quadros or teslas?

At that point, not only is AMD limiting their choices of consumers, but now software vendors who develop demanding software will have to choose between supporting higher end workstation offerings with Teslas and Quadros or supporting a single APU system.

And my point is that you can not run a Opteron on a consumer motherboard. You have to have a server motherboard to run an Opteron, I would like you to be more accurate in your remarks.
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At least that way, if everyone is wrong, there's not another JF-AMD.

In his defense, John did say multiple times that all info he posted was about server processors and the increases he said were all true.


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And my point is that you can not run a Opteron on a consumer motherboard. You have to have a server motherboard to run an Opteron, I would like you to be more accurate in your remarks.

It depends, as long as the Opteron is made for the same socket it will run in a consumer board as well. I believe sdlvx is probably referring to owning the legendary Opteron 165. It was one of my first processors too and I ran it in a DFI NF4Ultra board for a while, then a DFI UltraSLI, then a DFI CFX-3200 (still the best board I have ever used in my life), and finally in an ASUS A8N32-SLI board when I fried my DFI. That was the CPU, along with my CFX3200, that I even set a world record on for air overclocking as well as hyper-transport OC.

AMD has a history of packaging Opterons in desktop socket configurations. It was only the more recent stuff that Opteron's were only available on their dedicated server socket boards.
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In his defense, John did say multiple times that all info he posted was about server processors and the increases he said were all true.
It depends, as long as the Opteron is made for the same socket it will run in a consumer board as well. I believe sdlvx is probably referring to owning the legendary Opteron 165. It was one of my first processors too and I ran it in a DFI NF4Ultra board for a while, then a DFI UltraSLI, then a DFI CFX-3200 (still the best board I have ever used in my life), and finally in an ASUS A8N32-SLI board when I fried my DFI. That was the CPU, along with my CFX3200, that I even set a world record on for air overclocking as well as hyper-transport OC.

AMD has a history of packaging Opterons in desktop socket configurations. It was only the more recent stuff that servers were only available on their dedicated server socket boards.

Those Opterons are obsolete and those motherboards have not been in productions for years. His point was misleading at best.
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Those Opterons are obsolete and those motherboards have not been in productions for years. His point was misleading at best.

Although hasn't been done for a wile what says and could not have produced a multi cup system. It was more marketing strategy than capability
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