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Yeah, if you like AMD you have to read between the lines. When Kaveri officially launches, I can guarantee you that we will see it compared to much more expensive products and then people going "LOL AMD CANT BEAT INTEL!!"

The first thing you should be doing before you read a review is to look at prices of what they are comparing.

*snip*

I made that a while ago to prove a point. And it's that cheaper AMD solutions normally get compared to more expensive ones, and then a gigantic circle jerk of "lol amd sux" breaks out.

So glad I'm not the only one to do that. That is why the 9590 vs 3960k were legitimate, but 8350 vs 3770k is about as much as I'll accept. AMD's fault for making a $1000 chip that can't keep up. I would like to say that there is a GPU that gets nearly 10% the frames for only 2.5% the price of the top setup. That means 7790s are four times as cost efficient as quad-Titans. I just hope Intel responds, gets their crap together, and releases a decent iGPU for a decent amount of money with decent drivers. In the GPU industry that isn't even asking much!
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This is exactly what I thought. So for us to get a 12 core cpu we need a new socket.

AMD could *possibly* do a 12 core CPU on the same AM3+ socket if they made a new CPU that was a single die and did not increase memory channels at all. The reason you cant take 12 and 16 core G34 Opteron's and put them on Am3+ is because it is two full die's in an MCM configuration and using 4 memory channels because each die has their own two channels. Not enough pins for this. But if it were a new single die of 12 cores, it may not really take up too many more pins and so may be possible. Btu I dont think AMD is doing that. We will have to see though since Warsaw is 12+ cores and *if* it is a new die (even though it uses Piledriver?) then it could theoretically be possible to make a new 12 core FX. But again even at best it still wouldnt be Steamroller based so only someone like os2wiz would probably buy it tongue.gif
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You cant do a single die 12-core..If they could do it then why they have dual die opterons?
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Just to mention A10-7850K has now been on sale here for the last 75 minutes for £130 - if anyone is still interested after reading this thread.
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You cant do a single die 12-core..If they could do it then why they have dual die opterons?
Well that isn't really true you can with ease actually but the yields would be worse and therefore it would be more expensive than 2 small dies on the same package. You can do as much as 600mm^2 which would mean 10 modules if L3 cache wasn't needed so I'd say 8 modules is doable.
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Just to mention A10-7850K has now been on sale here for the last 75 minutes for £130 - if anyone is still interested after reading this thread.

We made/posted in this thread because we're interested. How much did Richland and Trinity launch for in the UK? More, less, or about the same?
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Richland (A10-6800K) came out for £122.33. Trinity (A10-5800K) was £113.95.
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AMD could *possibly* do a 12 core CPU on the same AM3+ socket if they made a new CPU that was a single die and did not increase memory channels at all. The reason you cant take 12 and 16 core G34 Opteron's and put them on Am3+ is because it is two full die's in an MCM configuration and using 4 memory channels because each die has their own two channels. Not enough pins for this. But if it were a new single die of 12 cores, it may not really take up too many more pins and so may be possible. Btu I dont think AMD is doing that. We will have to see though since Warsaw is 12+ cores and *if* it is a new die (even though it uses Piledriver?) then it could theoretically be possible to make a new 12 core FX. But again even at best it still wouldnt be Steamroller based so only someone like os2wiz would probably buy it tongue.gif

Where did you get that crap from??? I want the best of both worlds: lots of cores AND the latest HSA/HUMA apu technology. Once AMD shrinks the process to .20nm they could give us 6 or 8 cores with an apu on FM2+. That is what I would like, but AMD may not be offering it, we will have to wait and see.
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Where did you get that crap from??? I want the best of both worlds: lots of cores AND the latest HSA/HUMA apu technology. Once AMD shrinks the process to .20nm they could give us 6 or 8 cores with an apu on FM2+. That is what I would like, but AMD may not be offering it, we will have to wait and see.
Saw a guy kinda mention it which is why I am now, but they could offer 10-12 core even a 16 and the TDP wont be high at all. With HSA they could very well clock the thing at 1Ghz and still do quite a bit of damage.
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Where did you get that crap from??? I want the best of both worlds: lots of cores AND the latest HSA/HUMA apu technology. Once AMD shrinks the process to .20nm they could give us 6 or 8 cores with an apu on FM2+. That is what I would like, but AMD may not be offering it, we will have to wait and see.

Minor pedantic correction: you're off by a factor of 100. .20nm = 200pm != 20nm. No decimal is required.

Anyway, they actually already can. They could have a 4-core GPU + 8-core CPU on a single die. That would be enough for HSA, at least I would hope, and enough to keep the enthusiasts happy. 20nm I hope, or even 16nm if they skip, will allow for a 12-core GPU + 6-core CPU. I wouldn't count on it, but AMD has extremely dense transistors. Just look at Hawaii vs GK110. They have about the same number of transistors but Nvidia has a massive die in comparison.
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