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When is the non apu steamroller cpu being released?

Never, we may see another FX chip with excavator. Only if one is created for the server market and brought over to the consumer desktop. Follow the server roapmaps for a early indication.
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If we see a non-APU Steamroller chip, it will probably just be an Athlon chip, harvested from Kaveri chips with flaws in the GPU section. It's very unlikely there will ever be an FX chip released on the Steamroller core. As mentioned earlier, we may get another FX on the Excavator core--but it won't be on Socket AM3+.
     
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When is the non apu steamroller cpu being released?

There will be Steamroller-based Athlons released later this year, however they will simply be die-harvested A10's with the GPU perma-disabled. There won't be any FX chips based on Steamroller, and not likely not Excavator either. AM3+ isn't gonna get any new chips, and there won't be an AM4 socket to succeed it.
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When is the non apu steamroller cpu being released?
It will be retail available between; October 2014 and January 2015. It will require a new motherboard because it will not be on a PGA board. It will also need four DDR4 memory DIMMs to max out each of the four channels.

The cost will be dependent on Haswell-E's performance against it. So hope single threaded performance is the cost variable if you want it cheap.
Edited by Seronx - 4/12/14 at 9:59pm
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It will be retail available between; October 2014 and January 2015. It will require a new motherboard because it will not be on a PGA board. It will also need four DDR4 memory DIMMs to max out each of the four channels.

The cost will be dependent on Haswell-E's performance against it. So hope single threaded performance is the cost variable if you want it cheap.

isn't excavator the one getting the DDR4 controller...? otherwise I'm not expecting a non-APU entirely except for server parts, even if the iGPU is only small and basic coupled with large CPU.

Id even have to question the point of an athlon in this gen, seeing as its using GCN I doubt there would be bad enough bins to be worth resale without the entire iGPU unless you specifically manufactured the silicon without it...
   
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The roadmaps have already shown us what we'll get, and there's no successor to the high-core count server dies. Warsaw is it, according to the maps. Nothing but APU's, even on the server. There will be server CPU's based on Steamroller and Excavator, but they are the same as the Athlons that we get -- just the APU's with the iGPU disabled.

And yes, Steamroller has no DDR4 controller, so I'm not sure how Seronx came up with that one, lol.
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@NaroonGTX;
The roadmaps don't show everything.

K15.4, 15h architecture 40h-4Fh is a thing and it is listed in the Software Optimization guide.

Steamroller = 40h
Excavator = 45h

Centurion (FX) and Warsaw (Opteron) are Piledriver stopgaps since Steamroller didn't add server features. AMD will only have these architectures in 2015;
Pirate Islands GPUs (GCN2)
Excavator CPUs/APUs (15h / 45h-4Fh and 60h-6Fh)
Puma APUs (16h / 30h-3Fh)
- Nolan possibly with Leopard(Non-16h) cores later in 2015.

Carrizo APU/SoC and this Classy(Classified) CPU. Both use cHT/PCIe3 for discrete hUMA.
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I want to believe, but I have more doubts than I used to. Not towards you Seronx, but towards the market. I just think AMD's budget is very limited atm and it makes sense to invest that budget in areas where AMD doesn't compete directly with Intel. That being said though, I would be ecstatic if we got some new FX chips. They would have to be 5 modules+ though to offer a significant performance increase due to the reduced clocks on 28nm bulk. Honestly, I'd rather see them skip Steamroller FX and release excavator FX in 2015 with DDR4. That would be something a more significant upgrade.
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I want to believe, but I have more doubts than I used to. Not towards you Seronx, but towards the market. I just think AMD's budget is very limited atm and it makes sense to invest that budget in areas where AMD doesn't compete directly with Intel.
AMD doesn't need to compete with Intel, they are aiming for different logical thought patterns in how to compute.
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That being said though, I would be ecstatic if we got some new FX chips. They would have to be 5 modules+ though to offer a significant performance increase due to the reduced clocks on 28nm bulk.
Carrizo and Classy should be on 20nm LPM since GF28A is meant to be a shuttle process down to 20nm. AMD's node jumping is a little weird. The FX part will have 8 modules on one die as far as I know.
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Honestly, I'd rather see them skip Steamroller FX and release excavator FX in 2015 with DDR4. That would be something a more significant upgrade.
Steamroller added no server related improvements so it was most likely skipped for Excavator. Which had server related improvements.
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Carrizo and Classy should be on 20nm LPM since GF28A is meant to be a shuttle process down to 20nm. AMD's node jumping is a little weird. The FX part will have 8 modules on one die as far as I know.

It sure is, It's getting hard to keep up. It seems like no one really knows which node AMD is going to next but no matter what they choose they are all designed for low power mobile. Is tdp a limiting factor on a low power mobile node or is it clock speed or both?
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