Originally Posted by NaroonGTX
You raise many good points. I think I said elsewhere before (don't know if it was this forum or another) that AMD must've felt confident enough in their SR-based APU server chip that they felt a new octocore-based one wouldn't be needed. I know that the FX dies are basically the same as the Opteron dies, but for whatever reason it seems AMD doesn't feel like doing a SR replacement for that. This will upset a lot of AMD fans, methinks.
I am not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just trying to say that your solution isn't the only one.
A lack of SR CPU part can also mean that it is getting pushed back until dCPU and dGPU HSA becomes a thing. AMD needs as many people with HSA as possible. They are beating the chicken and egg theory of software/hardware where software devs don't want to develop software for hardware no one has and customers don't want to buy hardware with no software. APUs are strongest for AMD right now so it makes sense for them to FOCUS on APUs to gain rapid HSA compliant market share and then transfer over to the "less important" markets like dCPU + dGPU HSA.
IMO Warsaw is a stopgap to fill in a void between Piledriver and the new platform that will launch which supports HSA between dGPU and dCPU. As I've said before, AMD claiming to focus on APUs doesn't mean they are giving up on everything else, it just means that everything else is lower priority.
I also don't remember if I posted this on Tom's under a different handle or it was here, but GPUs make good money for AMD with a ~330mm^2 for Tahiti and a price range of $249 to $399. The volume between 6 cores and 8 cores on Steam Hardware Survey is actually higher than volume of 7970 and 7950. AMD could make more money off of dCPUs if they really wanted to and they could deliver CPU products that fell into $199 to $399 price range on a ~300mm^2 die. I realize I am neglecting Intel Hex and Intel Octo but regarding searching amazon and newegg by popularity, FX 6000 series is far, far more popular than Intel Hex.
I just hope AMD is smart enough to unify server and enthusiast platforms. It would make a lot less work for them as they'd just have to keep up a single platform for both markets (which would be HSA accelerated, btw). It'd also open the door for Opterons for consumers and workstations again as well as for enthusiast dual socket boards which could be overclocked, and it would be trivial for a company like Asus or Gigabyte to make an enthusiast level dual socket board as the tools provided by AMD would already be there due to the platform already supporting server CPUs. Of course, assuming they'd want to take the risk like that as those platforms never really make it. But my point is that AMD could provide the POSSIBILITY of this happening for enthusiast quite easily if big x86 server and enthusiast desktop platform is unified as one platform, and Intel would be unable to respond at all
as their Xeons can't be overclocked.
My theory depends entirely on what AMD does with their GPUs. If we see Hawaii and company come with HSA features there should be a good possibility of what I see happening actually happening.
The scenario I am seeing in my head given what I'm suggesting is that AMD releases new GPUs and they announce they come with HSA features like being able to use the HSA memory architecture of PS4. Then, shortly after, AMD announces desktop lineup and says new platform that supports HSA features of the new GPUs and talks about how great it is for next generation gaming.
Now, keep in mind while all desktop market is shrinking, gaming DT market is growing and AMD is aware of this. It takes a quick google search if you don't believe me.
But regardless, if AMD does this, they would then have a gaming platform where they have the ONLY HSA accelerated PC platform in existence. Meaning you'd HAVE to go AMD CPU + AMD GPU to use HSA features of console ports. And to top it off, the whole platform would probably be ideally set up as AMD CPU + AMD GPU for rendering + AMD GPU for HSA/GPGPU.
And if AMD threw in bundles like they have been, that platform would be a dream come true.
Anyways, AMD has the potential to become the
gaming platform. They also have the potential to make profits off of their CPUs no problem. I am guessing that AMD is quiet right now because they are waiting to announce a new platform with HSA support like I'm suggesting. If they announced it now, no one would care. It's too early. We haven't seen HSA used and we haven't seen HSA trickle over to gaming DT yet.
For me to be even on the right track we need to see either:
1. Hawaii and company support HSA and new platform is announced soon after.
2. GPU after Hawaii and company released soon (like next spring) and new platform announced then.
Regardless AMD needs to wait for software support to back them up. The longer they wait, and if they wait until software actually exists, the more demand for their product they will have.Edited by sdlvx - 9/20/13 at 10:26am