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If you click yes onto every option in the Apple store, you can get close to 10k.

Who cares, what's your point?
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post #142 of 214
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Originally Posted by adamkatt View Post

Who cares, what's your point?
It makes me laugh that you can spend almost double the price of the laptop in accessories.
post #143 of 214
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Originally Posted by andrews2547 View Post

I have challenged many people to build (mostly hypothetically) a rig as powerful as or more powerful than an iMac for the same price or less as well as making sure it doesn't take more space. No one has been able to do it. The whole point of AIOs is to save space on your desk/floor and that's the reason why people buy them most of the time.
I don't see why you'd ever need to save that much space. If you're buying a desktop computer, I can't imagine why you would care how large the thing is; as long as it is within reason (Stren's rig is a bit large for my desk). If you need something that doesn't take up a lot of space, why wouldn't a laptop work?

I could easily build the a computer with superior specs to the 27" imac for less than $2000, and fit it into a relatively small enclosure that would be easy to manage. It of course wouldn't be as compact as an AIO computer, but I can't think of a situation where I would need it to be that small.
post #144 of 214
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Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

they're equivalent to 7970s (the ones in the mac pro) and should function the same, but the extra cost compared to 7970s is massive

I'm pretty sure a W7000 is comparable to a downclocked 7850. I don't believe the W9000 is very high up the gaming GPU hierarchy either.

That aside, I wonder what GPUs are really in these. Dual W9000s is already a $6000+ proposition. Dual W8000s is $2800 on its own. W7000s are a much more affordable $750-ish and is more inline with what their cooling system would allow. Now factor in a rather impressive Xeon E5 (easily a $1.5k+ chip) and the other proprietary hardware to make it all fit. This little SOB can get very expensive, very quickly.
    
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post #145 of 214
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I'm pretty sure a W7000 is comparable to a downclocked 7850. I don't believe the W9000 is very high up the gaming GPU hierarchy either.

That aside, I wonder what GPUs are really in these. Dual W9000s is already a $6000+ proposition. Dual W8000s is $2800 on its own. W7000s are a much more affordable $750-ish and is more inline with what their cooling system would allow. Now factor in a rather impressive Xeon E5 (easily a $1.5k+ chip) and the other proprietary hardware to make it all fit. This little SOB can get very expensive, very quickly.
They don't cost as much in bulk you just have a margin + the cost (production, development and in this case the extra costs for special requests by apple)
I would say that xeon goes for 500 dollar in bulk same goes for the firepro's don't forget Apple fabs the pcb design themselves therefor can cut on costs of all the extra things except the die and the ram. (and caps and small things that don't really cost anything compared to the chips)
post #146 of 214
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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

I don't see why you'd ever need to save that much space. If you're buying a desktop computer, I can't imagine why you would care how large the thing is; as long as it is within reason (Stren's rig is a bit large for my desk). If you need something that doesn't take up a lot of space, why wouldn't a laptop work?

I could easily build the a computer with superior specs to the 27" imac for less than $2000, and fit it into a relatively small enclosure that would be easy to manage. It of course wouldn't be as compact as an AIO computer, but I can't think of a situation where I would need it to be that small.

The iMac comes with desktop CPUs which are a lot more powerful compared to the CPUs found in laptops (I think the late 2012-2013 iMac uses the i5 3570 and i7 3770)

Small/mobile offices, studio apartments, internet cafes (being able to have more computers = more income/profit), college dorms, garages, etc.
   
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* The user experience is second to none. I'm currently at work on a 27" iMac and God these are awesome. MacBook Pro's and iMac's alike use IPS screens, so content alway looks 10/10.
Anyone who ever used a Sony FW900 before the days when LCD's took over will tell you that there's no such thing as 10/10 on an LCD, of any type.
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* Simple things like multitouch gestures you actually like. Using a trackpad on OSX is a completely comfortable and relaxing experience. On Windows you're dying for a mouse after 5 minutes.
Macs do have the best trackpads. However, that's sort of like saying Duke Nukem Forever doesn't suck as bad as Daikatana did. All trackpads suck. Apple's just suck a little less.
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* OSX for daily driving, anything besides playing video games is just a completely superior experience. This is obviously my opinion.
I use OSX Lion and Windows 7 both almost every day. I don't find one to be any better than the other, just different. This is obviously my opinion...
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But seriously it comes down to the user experience. It just feels better than Windows. You don't need an SSD or GTX quad Titan SLI for most things and even having ridiculous hardware doesn't make up for a homely OS. I use Linux quite a bit on my comp simply because it emulates so much of the Mac OS seeing as they are both 100% unix based. Once Dota 2 and CSGO come to Steam for Linux I'll likely never touch Windows again.
Linux is not Unix-based and doesn't emulate OSX in any way (unless you've cooked up a distro to do that). Linux was already around when what became OSX was still floundering at NeXT in the mid-1990s. It's an independently developed clone of Unix, created with entirely different purposes and goals in mind, and is not true Unix. The Darwin OS used as the base of OSX has been a fully-POSIX compliant Unix since 2007.
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I don't see why you'd ever need to save that much space. If you're buying a desktop computer, I can't imagine why you would care how large the thing is; as long as it is within reason (Stren's rig is a bit large for my desk). If you need something that doesn't take up a lot of space, why wouldn't a laptop work?

I could easily build the a computer with superior specs to the 27" imac for less than $2000, and fit it into a relatively small enclosure that would be easy to manage. It of course wouldn't be as compact as an AIO computer, but I can't think of a situation where I would need it to be that small.
All of what you say is true, but your system wouldn't have sacred Apple logos on it. For all true believers, the Apple logo is worth a 100 percent price premium. biggrin.gif
     
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post #148 of 214
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Originally Posted by andrews2547 View Post

The iMac comes with desktop CPUs which are a lot more powerful compared to the CPUs found in laptops (I think the late 2012-2013 iMac uses the i5 3570 and i7 3770)

Small/mobile offices, studio apartments, internet cafes (being able to have more computers = more income/profit), college dorms, garages, etc.
I guess I could understand internet cafes, although you could probably just put the tower under the desk, in most situations. I have a fairly small desk and I can easily fit a desktop and two monitors. In a mobile office, a laptop might be better suited, since having to pick up and move one of those AIOs is not all that easy.

Also, are laptop core i7s aren't that much slower than desktop core i7s. The imac has a 3.4GHz core i7, and the most powerful Ivy Bridge core i7 was 2.8 GHz, and both turbo up to 3.8 GHz. If you're doing anything that's really that CPU dependent, you probably aren't best off using an imac.
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Macs do have the best trackpads. However, that's sort of like saying Duke Nukem Forever doesn't suck as bad as Daikatana did. All trackpads suck. Apple's just suck a little less.
I use OSX Lion and Windows 7 both almost every day. I don't find one to be any better than the other, just different. This is obviously my opinion...

having a better trackpad makes a substantial difference in mobile situations, where a lot of the time using a mouse is not convenient or ideal. sure i still want to use a mouse when at a desk a lot of the time.

osx is probably a better laptop os but the ui is pretty similar/equivalent on desktop

linux and osx both feel a lot snappier on older hardware/weak heardware, regardless of their technical pedigree. i'm guessing a lot of this is being lighter and not needing to support all those corporate legacy apps, at least in terms of startup times.
Edited by perfectblade - 7/1/13 at 3:34pm
post #150 of 214
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having a better trackpad makes a substantial difference in mobile situations, where a lot of the time using a mouse is not convenient or ideal. sure i still want to use a mouse when at a desk a lot of the time

linux and osx both feel a lot snappier on older hardware/weak heardware, regardless of their technical pedigree. i'm guessing a lot of this is being lighter and not needing to support all those corporate legacy apps, at least in terms of startup times.
Why don't they make those little rubber nub pointers, like the one on the IBM model M13, anymore? Those things were so much better than trackpads, and they don't seem very hard to screw up.
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