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2xTitan Triple Parallel


If you're unsure of what to expect when tackling removal of the Titan factory cooler, this video is excellent reference for the removal process:

- It's also good reference on tools.
- If you haven't already, look at your Titan and see if it uses screws or star pattern on the back holding the cooler. If star, a torx T6 bit is required. Mine both use T6. The video calls it out too, though its author actually has 1 Titan that had phillips and not T6 so check yours.
- The video is great reference generally. I'm sitting at my desk, with my gear on my mat, wrist strap on. Excellent reference to have it in front of you as you work if you need or want it.
- Note he uses the original EK block. That is not a full cover block, so that part is only useful if you have that.


A Titan with the monster cooler off. The factory pads are ultra sticky and squishy.


The full cover block is made well.


Note the sticker on the back. Probably very important if need to RMA.


Board cleaned up ready to apply pads and gpu tim. My kit came with tim, so even though I have an assortment of tim here already, I decided to use what EK provided for the gpu.


Unlike the smaller kit in the video, my kit has the chip pads pre-cut. This was very nice because I'm doing this twice so that would have been 48 cuts I would have had to make. I did still have to cut the larger pads for the vrm sections but no big deal.


I was totally laser focused once I began the tedious tasks and when finished I realized I never actually got shots of the applications of tim nor the pads frown.gif



I wish I had because I chose to put ceramic (non electrically conductive) tim on all relevant surfaces before putting pads, including the backs. I did this because it can be a pain to line up perfectly when attaching the blocks so the tim helped hold the pads in place since I flipped the boards with pads hanging. It should also help the pads be even more useful. The EK instructions recommend doing this for vrm but I did it for all.


The O-Rings for the EK-FC Triple Parallel (and I assume their other variants) are a MASSIVE pain in the balls to install. The grooves are extremely shallow and the rings are not tight. This combination means they DO NOT want to stay in place, at all. How many hours should it take to install a single block onto 2 GPU? Without this terrible O-Ring design, probably 15m or less. But... no. After it actually crossed my mind twice to super glue the bastards in place, I decided to see if I could achieve the same result without glue.

What if I used a super thin piece of plastic, shiny on at-least 1 side (slick as possible), used painters tape (zero residue, holds just enough, easy to pull off without moving anything else), forced the O-Rings to stay where i put them until I get the block in place, then untape and carefully slide the plastic out, leaving the O-Rings where they're supposed to be, with enough pressure being applied so they can't move while I slide out the plastic..


Early POCs



After proving the theory I simply trimmed the plastic so they're not in way of the screws.


At this point I was simply too annoyed to go take pictures after every step, but hopefully what was done is clear. The plastic is extremely thin. It's shiny. When over the O-Rings, they're simply compressed too when the block is screwed down. Once confirmed the O-Rings in the block have not moved at all, slightly loosen the screws until the plastic can be slid without much pressure. At that point, (very) slowly wiggle each plastic out, leaving the O-Ring exactly where it's supposed to be, because the space between the block and the board is so tight they have no where to go.

Careful examination after each step confirmed they were perfect. Tighten down the block, repeat for the other side. Job done.


To be continued...
Edited by BloodSlinger - 7/28/13 at 4:00pm
post #32 of 41
Nice!

the rx480 and the XTX around the same with like 4mm give or take on the XTX side..

keep up the good work!

check out my build when you get a chance...

some similarities!

http://www.overclock.net/t/1410765/build-log-project-ok-d-overkill-d-dual-gtx-690-3960x-corsair-900d
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Yep the clearance difference is so negligible they're essentially the same, so same issues. I have the blocks on the MB and the Titans now too so I should find out soon if removing the 1 fan will be all that's necessary to fit. Hope so.

Also, did check out your build. Glad to see you're having some fun!
post #34 of 41
Are u running those pumps at top speed all the time?

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Haha I had the same issue with the o rings, I was doing 3 780's and yeah - MASSSSSIVE pain in the...
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post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by chineytt View Post

Are u running those pumps at top speed all the time?

Finally finished getting the entire loop and all components except the CPU plugged up tonight. Busy schedule last week, same for next week so I may wind up leaving the thing just running and be over cautious with a week long leak test. It's been running for about 3hr so far, dry as a bone. Once the system is primed and settled the pumps are just so quiet I am amazed again. Like makes me look at the things to make sure. Can feel very subtle vibration when putting finger on tubes, feeling the water basting through.

As far as your question, curently they are on 5. I don't know if I'll leave them on max (5) though. I'm thinking they could probably do it on 3. I won't know that until I've got it powered up and under load. I won't leave them on max all the time if I don't have too. Want them to last a good long life. If they'll do what I need on at 3, they should chug for years.

I've stuck to my original water flow, and air flow, strategies. For wc it's MB block 1 -> CPU -> 480XTX -> MB block 2 -> 2xTitans -> 240XTX -> Pumps. My theory is (and that's all it is at the moment) this will maintain my ideal temps for years. Didn't want 2 loops and didn't want more than 2 rads. I have 15ft of tube in the loop. It's built for maintenance and max water capacity, so it doesn't have a ton of ultra tight, straight and short lines. It's got loops where I want loops. I like it. I'll take some shots in a couple days once I am confident it's leak free.

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Originally Posted by Jameswalt1 View Post

Haha I had the same issue with the o rings, I was doing 3 780's and yeah - MASSSSSIVE pain in the...

Yep that is such a stupid design flaw. Even if I had small hands and fingers it wouldn't make it any easier, at all. It's the design. If the grooves were deeper and the rings taller (not thicker diameter, I mean same width but thicker height) it would solve it and still be usable in their existing Titan / 780 block, which is really narrow. At-least the plastic trick I came up with worked. If it hadn't, I might have just tossed that **** into the trashcan and went classic serial with tubes.
Edited by BloodSlinger - 8/4/13 at 5:02am
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Loop running for 2 weeks no leaks. Still don't know the state of the hardware (mb, ram, titans) since I can't transfer over the 3960x yet to start the analysis. But, 1st concern was the loop and it seems perfect so that's good news.

Currently working on getting drives and data configurations prepared for the move. Many TB to move around and get it the way I want it, but regardless of the work involved my current intent is:

Planned drive strategy for new rig:
1x256g SSD S840-Pro / W7 Pro Full Retail
2x512g SSD C400 RAID-0 / base apps, games, studios, whatever.
2x2TB HDD WD-Black Dynamic RAID-1 / Backups.
1x1.5TB HDD Barracuda / Temp media storage for home theatre.
1x256g SSD S840 / undetermined. May use to clone the pro / as a recovery for OS haven't decided.

Once everything is up and good to go I'll get a couple more 2TB and bring the NAS U4 back in action for theatre.
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Glad to see things progressing nicely!

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Prowler comes to life....

I'm used to my home office sounding like a server room in the back of a factory.

It's going to take awhile to get used to how utterly silent this thing is. 18 fans, 2 PSU, 2 rads, 15ft of hose, 2 pumps, 6 drives including 3 mechanical... and the AC vent in the ceiling is louder than this entire machine, and the machine is currently closer to me than the AC vent.

Now in my office sitting at my desk using it I keep finding myself uncontrollably looking over wondering "Hmm... this thing working? ... is that on? Oh no is there some issue?" . .. . . .. no, no there's not. It's just there, ready, quiet, waiting.

First thing my wife said when she entered my office earlier with a look of astonishment was "WOW it's so quiet in here I can't believe it!" ... so yea, join the club. It's almost weird isn't it!

Considering the absolute raw power this beast has under the hood, I guess it's like a dragster in space. Same power, but no sound. Exactly what I was trying to build. Woot!


I'll eventually get some cleaner shots but right now I'm totally focused on using this thing and getting the base environment created and then backed up.

Haven't put it under heavy load yet but idle the CPU was at 26c with the MB and PCH reporting 24c. I have the pumps at 4 each. Once I get all 6 cores + the 2 titans screaming under load we'll see how far it climbs.


Edited:
Just put the Titans at 106% power target + additional 33 GPU offset and ran Furmark 1.11.0 1920x1080 default 15m burn-in. 1 Titan reached 42c, other reached 44c.. That's pretty good. That test is a crushing *****. Can bring a rig to its knees if PSU not capable / OC too aggressive. I've personally crushed my own rigs in the past with it. Very effective for cehcking issues. Wound up with a respectable 10757 points. Don't even have the CPU up past 4.2 yet, and the Gskill 2133 is sitting at 1333. I'll be bringing all components up in phases over time till it's where I want it.



PROWLER-900D-1

PROWLER-900D-2

PROWLER-900D-3

PROWLER-900D-4


---

Some early fun (for me anyway):

- Installing Visual Studio 2010-U took less than 2 minutes.
- Total heat reduction in my office is staggering.
- Single loop, 2 rad, 2 pumps, with only 1 rad being full size, is [ very very easily ] keeping CPU+MB+2xTitans at incredible low temps, perfectly, under extreme max loads.
-- Includes 6 cores @4.5ghz with HT enabled and all 12 threads maxed 100% usage @32g quad channel 2133.
-- Includes 2xTitans at 106% target + 33 offset maxed 100% usage.
-- Includes 20g of 32g as a RAM drive being hammered with cdisk mark.
-- Combined, the aboe far exceed what will be encountered in real-world usage and gaming because those are burn-in and max stress testing.

- Definitely made the right choice with pairing up the horrendously slow 512g RealSSD C400 drives as a blazing fast scrub / game / volatile set.
-- Those are enterprise made for reliability (not performance) with factory write specs max around 250 or 260 thereabouts.
-- Hardware RAID-0 brings them up to essentially a single 1T S840-Pro standard.

Standard RealSSD C400 512g performing at spec for their generation:


RealSSD C400 512g x2 hardware RAID-0:


Samsung 840-Pro dedicated OS:



Edited:
Currently testing with all 6 cores @4.8ghz and HT enabled. Had Furmark running and launched a 12 thread stress test. Heard the Nexgen 1500 kick in its extra current. HWM reported CPU output hit 165w. That's an older program no idea if it's even accurate at this point. But, it always has been in the past.

Edited:
Now @5ghz. Details updated at the main thread.
Edited by BloodSlinger - 8/28/13 at 10:41am
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Couldn't help but notice that 5hz is taking 1.52 vcore to run on the auto setting, I don't think that's a good situation for 24/7... but if it's just for benching here and there then who cares smile.gif
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