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The reason that cpu is in there is simply due to the fact that the other cpus don't offer any added gains. Go look at the numbers for video rendering and audio compression and tell me if the top end model has any a visible benefit over this chip. No one would buy this machine if it had that chip. No one wants a machine that has a round cost of $3200. You can get an NP9390 with dual 780Ms for that price. So AGAIN, it comes down to the best price to performance and what is most appealing to the masses.
     
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It's been two months since I started this thread, and I'm interested in seeing where it's gone. LOL.

People moaning and whining that the G750 isn't available with a 4930MX or an MQ processor? Here's my take on it, as a G750 owner -

The G750 is marketed at folks who aren't necessarily going to "upgrade" their laptop beyond storage and memory potential. The 700-series GPU in these machines is NOT user replaceable, and isn't a standard MXM format GPU. Even the internal memory slots on the G750 are embedded deep in the machine, on the "other" side of the motherboard beneath the keyboard -- inaccessible by simply removing the bottom access panel. Who would buy a system like this ... with plans to upgrade a CPU later? Is it worth adding $25 for a socket and making the system 1/4" thicker to accommodate the option? In my opinion, not really.

The 4700HQ has several advantages over it's MQ brethren. The HQ supports VT-d, the MQ does not. Not a great big deal unless you're running Hyper-V with virtualized USB hardware - but some people (me included) do actually do that. The VT-d support is one reason I waited for the 3930K C1 desktop CPU revision to hit C2, so I could take advantage of that feature. A MQ processor would leave me with a laptop that relies on software USB virtualization drivers, which are slower and prone to issues with some specialized hardware like external audio interfaces where USB latency is a big concern.

Even if you step up to a 4930MX, you'd be looking at a net 14-18% performance improvement. We're talking 3.9 GHz vs. 3.4 GHz with all four cores running at 100%. Not a big deal to me. The $900+ price premium for that 12-14% however would be a big deal.

The cooling system on the G750 is second to none! In my two months of ownership, I've run quite a few WoW, Rift, Crysis 3, StarCraft II and Diablo 3 sessions on this thing ... and it doesn't even get "warm" to the touch on the top or bottom. The dual rear heat vents are doing an excellent job of evacuating the heat from the 4700HQ and 770M. CPU temps under load are in the 50-60C range, GPU temps in the 65-70C range most of the time under load. I'm happy with that.

I've seen a few new models hit the streets, and if there was any second guess about my purchase - might have waited for the 780M version of the G750. Honestly, I can run 50-60 FPS in my favorite games at 1920x1080 with the 770M though with high details, so maybe the 780M would be overkill. Would be nice to have the next generation of games, but I'll buy a new laptop in 3 years and worry about it then. =)

Greg
Edited by hammong - 9/4/13 at 8:54pm
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It's been two months since I started this thread, and I'm interested in seeing where it's gone. LOL.

People moaning and whining that the G750 isn't available with a 4930MX or an MQ processor? Here's my take on it, as a G750 owner -

The G750 is marketed at folks who aren't necessarily going to "upgrade" their laptop beyond storage and memory potential. The 700-series GPU in these machines is NOT user replaceable, and isn't a standard MXM format GPU. Even the internal memory slots on the G750 are embedded deep in the machine, on the "other" side of the motherboard beneath the keyboard -- inaccessible by simply removing the bottom access panel. Who would buy a system like this ... with plans to upgrade a CPU later? Is it worth adding $25 for a socket and making the system 1/4" thicker to accommodate the option? In my opinion, not really.

The 4700HQ has several advantages over it's MQ brethren. The HQ supports VT-d, the MQ does not. Not a great big deal unless you're running Hyper-V with virtualized USB hardware - but some people (me included) do actually do that. The VT-d support is one reason I waited for the 3930K C1 desktop CPU revision to hit C2, so I could take advantage of that feature. A MQ processor would leave me with a laptop that relies on software USB virtualization drivers, which are slower and prone to issues with some specialized hardware like external audio interfaces where USB latency is a big concern.

Even if you step up to a 4930MX, you'd be looking at a net 14-18% performance improvement. We're talking 3.9 GHz vs. 3.4 GHz with all four cores running at 100%. Not a big deal to me. The $900+ price premium for that 12-14% however would be a big deal.

The cooling system on the G750 is second to none! In my two months of ownership, I've run quite a few WoW, Rift, Crysis 3, StarCraft II and Diablo 3 sessions on this thing ... and it doesn't even get "warm" to the touch on the top or bottom. The dual rear heat vents are doing an excellent job of evacuating the heat from the 4700HQ and 770M. CPU temps under load are in the 50-60C range, GPU temps in the 65-70C range most of the time under load. I'm happy with that.

I've seen a few new models hit the streets, and if there was any second guess about my purchase - might have waited for the 780M version of the G750. Honestly, I can run 50-60 FPS in my favorite games at 1920x1080 with the 770M though with high details, so maybe the 780M would be overkill. Would be nice to have the next generation of games, but I'll buy a new laptop in 3 years and worry about it then. =)

Greg

For once I can say thank you... that was growing rather tiring. tongue.gif

Be sure to overclock the memory a bit to get the most out of that GPU. smile.gif
     
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For once I can say thank you... that was growing rather tiring. tongue.gif

Be sure to overclock the memory a bit to get the most out of that GPU. smile.gif

That's right, the memory and the GPU in this laptop is easy to overclock to a very high level. More than can GTX680M. So it will be real nice perfomance for you a very long time yet.
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It's been two months since I started this thread, and I'm interested in seeing where it's gone. LOL.

People moaning and whining that the G750 isn't available with a 4930MX or an MQ processor? Here's my take on it, as a G750 owner -

The G750 is marketed at folks who aren't necessarily going to "upgrade" their laptop beyond storage and memory potential. The 700-series GPU in these machines is NOT user replaceable, and isn't a standard MXM format GPU. Even the internal memory slots on the G750 are embedded deep in the machine, on the "other" side of the motherboard beneath the keyboard -- inaccessible by simply removing the bottom access panel. Who would buy a system like this ... with plans to upgrade a CPU later? Is it worth adding $25 for a socket and making the system 1/4" thicker to accommodate the option? In my opinion, not really.

The 4700HQ has several advantages over it's MQ brethren. The HQ supports VT-d, the MQ does not. Not a great big deal unless you're running Hyper-V with virtualized USB hardware - but some people (me included) do actually do that. The VT-d support is one reason I waited for the 3930K C1 desktop CPU revision to hit C2, so I could take advantage of that feature. A MQ processor would leave me with a laptop that relies on software USB virtualization drivers, which are slower and prone to issues with some specialized hardware like external audio interfaces where USB latency is a big concern.

Even if you step up to a 4930MX, you'd be looking at a net 14-18% performance improvement. We're talking 3.9 GHz vs. 3.4 GHz with all four cores running at 100%. Not a big deal to me. The $900+ price premium for that 12-14% however would be a big deal.

The cooling system on the G750 is second to none! In my two months of ownership, I've run quite a few WoW, Rift, Crysis 3, StarCraft II and Diablo 3 sessions on this thing ... and it doesn't even get "warm" to the touch on the top or bottom. The dual rear heat vents are doing an excellent job of evacuating the heat from the 4700HQ and 770M. CPU temps under load are in the 50-60C range, GPU temps in the 65-70C range most of the time under load. I'm happy with that.

I've seen a few new models hit the streets, and if there was any second guess about my purchase - might have waited for the 780M version of the G750. Honestly, I can run 50-60 FPS in my favorite games at 1920x1080 with the 770M though with high details, so maybe the 780M would be overkill. Would be nice to have the next generation of games, but I'll buy a new laptop in 3 years and worry about it then. =)

Greg

While I see the annoyance of not having VT-d and the slight GPU boost reduction with the 4700MQ vs 4700HQ, if you had the socketed 4700MQ you could always upgrade to the 4930MX Extreme CPU and that has Vt-D and a 1.35GHZ GPU turbo.
The 3.4GHZ and 3.9GHZ clockspeeds you mentioned is just for when 1 core is active. The 4700MQ and 4700HQ is at least at 2.4GHZ if all 4 cores are 100% active, probably a bit higher because it can turbo towards (to?) TDP constantly if temperature is OK. The 4930MX is at a minimum of 3GHZ if all 4 cores are 100% active, and a 10watt higher TDP so might be turboed constantly in that case a bit higher % if temperature is OK. So best case it's a 25% speed boost, a bit more if a higher clocked Extreme CPU comes out. But the gap may be smaller with temps perhaps getting high with the Extreme CPU, reducing the constant turbo whilst 4 cores active.
Edited by danwat1234 - 9/8/13 at 9:39pm
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While I see the annoyance of not having VT-d and the slight GPU boost reduction with the 4700MQ vs 4700HQ, if you had the socketed 4700MQ you could always upgrade to the 4930MX Extreme CPU and that has Vt-D and a 1.35GHZ GPU turbo.
The 3.4GHZ and 3.9GHZ clockspeeds you mentioned is just for when 1 core is active. The 4700MQ and 4700HQ is at least at 2.4GHZ if all 4 cores are 100% active, probably a bit higher because it can turbo towards (to?) TDP constantly if temperature is OK. The 4930MX is at a minimum of 3GHZ if all 4 cores are 100% active, and a 10watt higher TDP so might be turboed constantly in that case a bit higher % if temperature is OK. So best case it's a 25% speed boost, a bit more if a higher clocked Extreme CPU comes out. But the gap may be smaller with temps perhaps getting high with the Extreme CPU, reducing the constant turbo whilst 4 cores active.

If VT-d is all that's needed, then the 4800MQ has that built in. But this is all a little silly to argue such. The 4930MX isn't worth the money at the moment. It just isn't.
     
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The version i bought in malaysia is slightly different spec, only 8 gb ram but comes with a blu ray drive. Also a free steelseries headset and a rog mouse with a backpack.

The 770m is very overclockable, i put the afterburner slide to the end for the core and +250 on the memory and bench it, a 5 degree increase. It will sit at the 70-72c for gpu which to me is much better than wut my old alienware can do and also much quieter.... hell its even quieter than my retina macbook pro when playin diablo 3.

If it is only thinner... one can always dream.

Hello, I noticed you mention a retina macbook pro, I'm planing on getting one of both (the retina the 15inch model) which would you prefer and why? thanks!
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Hello, I noticed you mention a retina macbook pro, I'm planing on getting one of both (the retina the 15inch model) which would you prefer and why? thanks!

I looked hard at the MacBook Pro with Retina display, because that display panel is pretty incredible. But, I had a few negative points that steered me towards the G750.

1. The MacBook Pro has an internal battery that isn't replaceable. Every MacBook I've owned required a battery after 3-4 years or less, I didn't fancy the idea of having to ship the MBP to Apple at my expense to get a battery replacement for $199+ when the time comes.

2. Price. The one I wanted was $2799. That's almost double what my G750 cost. The MBP has a GT650M with 1GB RAM. The ASUS has GTX 770M with 3GB RAM. Do the math on that one.

3. Planned obsolescence. 4-5 years from now, Apple is going to stop selling/updating OS/X on currently sold machines, just like I can't get OS/X Lion on my $3500 Mac Pro desktop from 2008, and my $2300 MacBook Pro from 2009. Just because Apple doesn't want to support them any longer. "Old machine, buy a new one." That's always been their attitude. Never mind the fact my MBP with 2.4 GHz Core2Duo and 4GB of RAM runs all of my Mac apps just fine, as does my dual dual-core Xeon Mac Pro with 8GB RAM. That's bad company policy, IMHO.


Don't get me wrong, I like the MBP -- a lot. Just not $2799 worth. LOL.

Greg
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