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Hi guys,

Need to pick at your infinite mass of wisdom for a bit. Summer has rolled by and I'm experiencing problems with my sig rig randomly crashing. The display goes out but there's still audio in the background then the entire rig locks up but the drives are still spinning and the rest of the computer is still generating heat.

I've ruled out the possibility of the CPU, GPU, Motherboard, and Memory overheating. They were coasting around 40-50C when this happened so that leaves me to believe the only thing that could be wrong is the PSU. Ran Prime95 and the rig shut off even before the CPU got warm. Resetting the BIOS back to default didn't seem to help.

GPU and CPU seem fine since when the system is cool (cold start), I can actually play 3D games for a while with no signs of artificating but the display suddenly cuts out after an hour or so then the rest of the system halts.

Tried booting into safe mode to rule out the possibility of a bad drivers but it was a no go and tried booting without any drives to rule out the possibility of bad drives and OS.

Thank you in advanced guys!
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I found a review of your PSU and it seems like it could be it why you have problems but i cant say for sure

But what you have is 6 years old so maybe its time for a new PSU?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Whoa! Look at those big ol' Teapo caps on the back of the modular interface!

So now the time has come to judge our power supply. Judging is done in four categories: Performance, Functionality, Value and Aesthetics. Each category has a different weight that accounts for a different percentage of the total score. So....

Performance (weight of 40%): The voltage regulation left a bit to be desired. When I receive a higher wattage power supply, I don't expect the same regulation up to the same wattage as it's little sibling. I expect the same regulation from full load of one to the full load of the other. Greater than 1% regulation may be acceptable for a 425W power supply, but that doesn't mean 2% or greater regulation is good for an 850W power supply. In other words, the higher the wattage the PSU, the greater my expectations.

The efficiency is good, although it's not as high as a lot of the power supplies we've seen lately. The PSU is very quiet and is rated at 50°C. The ripple and noise was very well behaved too. The quality of components is top notch and the construction is virtually bulletproof. Score here is 7.5.

Aesthetics (weight is 10%): Here the Decathlon scores an 8.5. All of the cables are sleeved, but are not sleeved to the last connector on the cables with more than one connector. The PSU being modular makes the inside of a computer nice and neat, and that's always a plus. The flat black finish lacks flash, but it still looks better than your basic gray.

Value (weight of 30%): I found the Decathlon DA850 for selling around $229, which is pretty good for an 850W power supply. Certainly a very decent value for a modular 850W power supply. So for value, I'm giving the DA850 an 8.5 score.

Functionality (weight is 20%): For functionality, I give the DA850 an 8. Of course, the fact that the PSU is modular is a major plus in this category. The cables do have some sleeving, they're long and easy to manipulate. There is one native 8-pin PCI-e, although I'm not sure I'm a big fan of having two 6-pin PCI-e's on each cable. Not that the cable can't handle the amperage, but if you're using anything less than 225W PCI-e cards in SLI or Crossfire, you have an additional connector to hide away.

That gives the SilverStone Decathlon DA850 an overall score of 8.

Performance 7.5
Aesthetics 8.5
Value 8.5
Functionality 8
Total Score 8

SUMMARY:

The DA850 is a very good power supply. There was just a bit of disappointment with the over all mediocre voltage regulation. It does put out the 850W SilverStone has rated the product for, it is rated at 50°C, it's modular, it's fairly efficient... Is it right for you?

The GOOD:

Modular
Compact size
Very quiet 120MM fan
Fairly efficient
Several PCI-e connectors

The BAD:

Nothing really "bad" to say about the Decathlon.

The MEDIOCRE:

Voltage regulation could stand to be better.
Not a big fan of the two PCI-e connectors on one cable. Only two PCI-e modular interfaces? Give me four cables! One with two connectors and one with just one PCI-e connector.
I really wish they'd sleeve the cable from end to end.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=50
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Originally Posted by FaLLeNAn9eL View Post

Hi guys,

Need to pick at your infinite mass of wisdom for a bit. Summer has rolled by and I'm experiencing problems with my sig rig randomly crashing. The display goes out but there's still audio in the background then the entire rig locks up but the drives are still spinning and the rest of the computer is still generating heat.

I've ruled out the possibility of the CPU, GPU, Motherboard, and Memory overheating. They were coasting around 40-50C when this happened so that leaves me to believe the only thing that could be wrong is the PSU. Ran Prime95 and the rig shut off even before the CPU got warm. Resetting the BIOS back to default didn't seem to help.

GPU and CPU seem fine since when the system is cool (cold start), I can actually play 3D games for a while with no signs of artificating but the display suddenly cuts out after an hour or so then the rest of the system halts.

Tried booting into safe mode to rule out the possibility of a bad drivers but it was a no go and tried booting without any drives to rule out the possibility of bad drives and OS.

Thank you in advanced guys!

Run Prime95... time how long it takes to crash.
Run Furmark... time how long it takes to crash.
Run Prime95+Furmark... time how long it takes to crash.

Note that your GPU probably consumes more power than your CPU.

Also, try downclocking your components to see if overclock issue.
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Wow I stopped reading at "Teapo caps".

I would consider replacing the PSU regardless if it is the problem or not.
Those caps are terrible, there is just no excuse these days to make a bad electrolytic capacitor. (Aluminum oxide)

I could almost roll a more reliable capacitor in my kitchen.
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Wow I stopped reading at "Teapo caps".

I would consider replacing the PSU regardless if it is the problem or not.
Those caps are terrible, there is just no excuse these days to make a bad electrolytic capacitor. (Aluminum oxide)

I could almost roll a more reliable capacitor in my kitchen.

Teapo are alright they are still not as bad as CapXon

Rubycon or Matsu****a caps are still much better
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Iv'e saw PSUs overheat.. Laptop and Desktop. If they overheat you will smell it and more than likely see smoke. After that it's basically fried.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shilka View Post

I found a review of your PSU and it seems like it could be it why you have problems but i cant say for sure

But what you have is 6 years old so maybe its time for a new PSU?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Whoa! Look at those big ol' Teapo caps on the back of the modular interface!

So now the time has come to judge our power supply. Judging is done in four categories: Performance, Functionality, Value and Aesthetics. Each category has a different weight that accounts for a different percentage of the total score. So....

Performance (weight of 40%): The voltage regulation left a bit to be desired. When I receive a higher wattage power supply, I don't expect the same regulation up to the same wattage as it's little sibling. I expect the same regulation from full load of one to the full load of the other. Greater than 1% regulation may be acceptable for a 425W power supply, but that doesn't mean 2% or greater regulation is good for an 850W power supply. In other words, the higher the wattage the PSU, the greater my expectations.

The efficiency is good, although it's not as high as a lot of the power supplies we've seen lately. The PSU is very quiet and is rated at 50°C. The ripple and noise was very well behaved too. The quality of components is top notch and the construction is virtually bulletproof. Score here is 7.5.

Aesthetics (weight is 10%): Here the Decathlon scores an 8.5. All of the cables are sleeved, but are not sleeved to the last connector on the cables with more than one connector. The PSU being modular makes the inside of a computer nice and neat, and that's always a plus. The flat black finish lacks flash, but it still looks better than your basic gray.

Value (weight of 30%): I found the Decathlon DA850 for selling around $229, which is pretty good for an 850W power supply. Certainly a very decent value for a modular 850W power supply. So for value, I'm giving the DA850 an 8.5 score.

Functionality (weight is 20%): For functionality, I give the DA850 an 8. Of course, the fact that the PSU is modular is a major plus in this category. The cables do have some sleeving, they're long and easy to manipulate. There is one native 8-pin PCI-e, although I'm not sure I'm a big fan of having two 6-pin PCI-e's on each cable. Not that the cable can't handle the amperage, but if you're using anything less than 225W PCI-e cards in SLI or Crossfire, you have an additional connector to hide away.

That gives the SilverStone Decathlon DA850 an overall score of 8.

Performance 7.5
Aesthetics 8.5
Value 8.5
Functionality 8
Total Score 8

SUMMARY:

The DA850 is a very good power supply. There was just a bit of disappointment with the over all mediocre voltage regulation. It does put out the 850W SilverStone has rated the product for, it is rated at 50°C, it's modular, it's fairly efficient... Is it right for you?

The GOOD:

Modular
Compact size
Very quiet 120MM fan
Fairly efficient
Several PCI-e connectors

The BAD:

Nothing really "bad" to say about the Decathlon.

The MEDIOCRE:

Voltage regulation could stand to be better.
Not a big fan of the two PCI-e connectors on one cable. Only two PCI-e modular interfaces? Give me four cables! One with two connectors and one with just one PCI-e connector.
I really wish they'd sleeve the cable from end to end.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=50

Jinkies. Thank you for that. I'm going to Frys later today to see if I can pick up a Corsair one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

Run Prime95... time how long it takes to crash.
Run Furmark... time how long it takes to crash.
Run Prime95+Furmark... time how long it takes to crash.

Note that your GPU probably consumes more power than your CPU.

Also, try downclocking your components to see if overclock issue.
The first time I ran Prime95 it lasted a couple minutes. With the system running for an hour. Prime lasted less than 5 seconds.

My CPU and GPU were both at clock speeds but I will underclock them tonight to see if that helps.

Thank you! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by All3n View Post

Wow I stopped reading at "Teapo caps".

I would consider replacing the PSU regardless if it is the problem or not.
Those caps are terrible, there is just no excuse these days to make a bad electrolytic capacitor. (Aluminum oxide)

I could almost roll a more reliable capacitor in my kitchen.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shilka View Post

Teapo are alright they are still not as bad as CapXon

Rubycon or Matsu****a caps are still much better
I've had the PSU for a few years and it hasn't let me down yet. But maybe it is time for an upgrade.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonespwns View Post

Iv'e saw PSUs overheat.. Laptop and Desktop. If they overheat you will smell it and more than likely see smoke. After that it's basically fried.
I don't think it's a catastrophic failure. I'm under the impression that the heat generated reduces the efficiency of the PSU and everything cuts out because of the lack of power.
Edited by FaLLeNAn9eL - 7/1/13 at 7:51am
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Iv'e saw PSUs overheat.. Laptop and Desktop. If they overheat you will smell it and more than likely see smoke. After that it's basically fried.

Many PSU have thermal protection and shutoff due to overheating.

If you smell smoke, then something else went wrong or the PSU thermal sensor failed/doesn't exist.
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One factor that I forgot to mention was how the PSU is mounted relative to the rest of the case. The Thermaltake Armor has a hard drive cage mounted directly in front of the PSU. I've been using the cage with no problems but now that I look at it, there's only about a cm of clearance between the cage and the PSU intake fan.
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Dont just pick a Corsair becuse its a Corsair you can find many just as good or better then Corsair
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Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Roccat Kone XTD Laser Roccat Sense Metor Sennheiser HD 598 
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