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Do you have my motherboard??? Do you have my cooler???

I am truly surprised you are not banned yet... In every single one of your post I've read (a lot of them) you have seemed to be a total idiot. Why must you always try to make people feel bad, or imply that their stuff is a peice of crap and your the "expert"...

I'll give you one thing, the guide to the Liquid Metal Thermal Liquid stuff was good, but every other time I see your post it just makes me mad...

It's impossible for my core to be cooler than my heatsink unless I have some magical cooler... So you don't really know what you are talking about.

I agree. This forum is for helping people, not belittling them with your false sense of omniscience.
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post #32 of 39
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Do you have my motherboard??? Do you have my cooler???

I am truly surprised you are not banned yet... In every single one of your post I've read (a lot of them) you have seemed to be a total idiot. Why must you always try to make people feel bad, or imply that their stuff is a peice of crap and your the "expert"...

I'll give you one thing, the guide to the Liquid Metal Thermal Liquid stuff was good, but every other time I see your post it just makes me mad...

It's impossible for my core to be cooler than my heatsink unless I have some magical cooler... So you don't really know what you are talking about.
??? you're the one calling me an idiot without any reason or proof, I never slurred you in any such way, can you say the same thing, shouldn't you be the one that's being banned?

I never did any of the things in your post, I found it funny because you shouldn't be trying to prove that your sensors are off. Oh and I love your last sentance, considering a few posts ago you also said:

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Either my Mobo temps are off (I've never saw an Asus that was, so I doubt it) or my Core is really lower than my CPU Temp
which is a direct contradiction of what you previously held to be true. So if you are saying that it is impossible for your core to be cooler than your heatsink are you now saying you believe your mobo sensors to be off to explain this anomaly?

Oh and I did have an ASUS A8N-SLI board before, about 4 months ago, and I remember the temp sensors being way off. Which is why I read up about the diode temp as its the only reliable sys temp as it comes directly from teh CPU core.

Plus it is not "impossible" for your heatsink to be reading as hotter than your core. If your core is cooling down after a burn in and your heatsink isn't removing heat efficiently, there will be a period where the core will have cooled but the heatsink will still be retaining the heat near the socket sensor. But i'd say your mainboard temp sensors probably aren't calibrated correctly. Just ignore the socket temp in future and keep an eye on the diode temp.

Oh and in future if you want to make any personal comments about me, i'd advise you to PM me or i'll be reporting your posts. People wouldn't be repping me if everyone thought all my post where idiotic.
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Thinking about my ASUS board reminded me I had saved this link when trying to find a way to recalibrate my temp sensors. It's a good read to get an understanding about CPU temps
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I'm ignoring the drama and I would like to at my 2cents on my observations about the temp issue.

I've noticed on all of my amd motherboard that the core temp will jump instantly when running something like prime95. Then in few minutes depending on the board and cpu the "CPU Temp" will match closely with the "Core Temp".

My thoughts are the "core temp" is the actual cpu temp and the lag I notice in the "cpu temp" is from the fact that sensor is further away from the cpu and it takes time for heat to reach it. This would make the core temp more important than the cpu temp.

I always did watch them both closely and I will continue too.
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I've noticed on all of my amd motherboard that the core temp will jump instantly when running something like prime95. Then in few minutes depending on the board and cpu the "CPU Temp" will match closely with the "Core Temp".
No you're right, this is something inherent in the difference between the Diode and Socket temp. Below is a graph from the link in my last post



The way to tell if you are monitoring the diode or socket temp is how it changes in the first few seconds. The diode will jump up in temps quickly whereas the socket temp will gradually raise in temps. Eventually they will start to even out over burn the burn in.
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No you're right, this is something inherent in the difference between the Diode and Socket temp. Below is a graph from the link in my last post

The way to tell if you are monitoring the diode or socket temp is how it changes in the first few seconds. The diode will jump up in temps quickly whereas the socket temp will gradually raise in temps. Eventually they will start to even out over burn the burn in.

The graph wasn't working for me, but yeah from reading around on the internet I believe the diode/core temp to be the temp everyone should be watching. I make sure my core temps are at a safe level and is the temp to keep down instead of the cpu temp. If speed fan and other kinds 3rd party software didn't name the socket sensor the "cpu temp" less people would have mistaken this.

so knowing that, it about sums it up. watch both but keep a eye on that core the most.
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The graph wasn't working for me, but yeah from reading around on the internet I believe the diode/core temp to be the temp everyone should be watching. I make sure my core temps are at a safe level and is the temp to keep down instead of the cpu temp. If speed fan and other kinds 3rd party software didn't name the socket sensor the "cpu temp" less people would have mistaken this.

so knowing that, it about sums it up. watch both but keep a eye on that core the most.
Speedfan will rename them as CPU and Diode temp if you update the config file for your mobo. I've outlined how to do this on the previous page. Although personally i'd recommend systool. I find it a much better program for monitoring and it never gets the labeling wrong.
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Speedfan will rename them as CPU and Diode temp if you update the config file for your mobo. I've outlined how to do this on the previous page. Although personally i'd recommend systool. I find it a much better program for monitoring and it never gets the labeling wrong.
maybe it was the clock tab im thinking about but I though it doesn't have a configuration for every motherboard.
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maybe it was the clock tab im thinking about but I though it doesn't have a configuration for every motherboard.
True, but usually if you can get one close enough to your motherboards make it will work fine, as long as it is the same chipset usually. Like there is no DFI expert version of the config, but the NF4 Ultra-D config works for my mobo. The manufacturer won't usually change the sensor config that much between variations within the same chipset revision.
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