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post #21 of 27
semantics of whether or not something is an 'intel tick' or a refresh.
i'd go with refresh.
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Ah, you might pull an "off topic!" card out of the blue, but it's part of the bigger picture and very on topic. If intel does have the infrastructure for 14nm product by the end of 2013, and considering their competition pushing for 14nm and 20nm by the same time, then it's quite obvious that intel might avoid staying on 22nm for long.

Plus, this is not conjecture based on that good reason only. I genuinely remember Ticks being referred to as refreshes in the past occasionally. I just connect it with the above market reality - and intel's soon-to-come infrastructure - and it seems even further from the truth that they would stay on 22nm for a large part of 2014.
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Ah, you might pull and "off topic!" card out of the blue, but it's part of the bigger picture and very on topic. If intel does have the infrastructure for 14nm product by the end of 2013, and considering their competition pushing for 14nm and 20nm by the same time, then it's quite obvious that intel might avoid staying on 22nm for long.

Plus, this is not conjecture based on that good reason only. I genuinely remember Ticks being referred to as refreshes in the past occasionally. I just connect it with the above market reality - and intel's soon-to-come infrastructure - and it seems even further from the truth that they would stay on 22nm for a large part of 2014.

intel uses the term 'tick' for their refreshes. so i would consider it to be the jargon.
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Ah, you might pull and "off topic!" card out of the blue, but it's part of the bigger picture and very on topic. If intel does have the infrastructure for 14nm product by the end of 2013, and considering their competition pushing for 14nm and 20nm by the same time, then it's quite obvious that intel might avoid staying on 22nm for long.

Plus, this is not conjecture based on that good reason only. I genuinely remember Ticks being referred to as refreshes in the past occasionally. I just connect it with the above market reality - and intel's soon-to-come infrastructure - and it seems even further from the truth that they would stay on 22nm for a large part of 2014.

Whether other people are running 14nm doesn't really matter. It's not all about the architecture size. If they can produce a 14nm and they like it, they'll put it out, but it's not going to be known as the haswell refresh.

Haswell (Tock -- new architecture) 22nm
Haswell Refresh (refresh)
Broadwell (Tick -- die shrink) 14nm

The performance between them will be more or less the same just more power efficient and slightly better IPC and some added features.

Also, why does it matter either way? lol. We can complain about it all we want, they will do what they want. We can call it whatever we want.
 
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Also Intel has a history of tearing up the pavement behind their competitors. By the time they had a copycat of their technology ready, it would tear up the pavement under their feet and go to the next iteration.

I wouldn't be surprised if they keep people in the dark concerning their 14nm plans for precisely the same reason, to tear up the pavement in 2014 once more.

One might ask, are people so stupid in not seeing it coming once more? Well, I'm here, so it might not work for all, but it certainly appears that others fall for it and history repeats itself.

Of course, right now intel is being attacked from the flanks by not counting that the market itself might shift from the desktop to mobiles so they might have to fight even more to survive.

Though to tell you the truth, I personally think that the mobile situation is overrated. It does have a strength as a market but I think its future market share is overrated and it will soon stabilize in percentage of market share, if it hasn't done it already.
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post #26 of 27
Like deafboy said it really doesn't matter. If intel can have 14nm stable and ready In 2014 I can guarantee you they will. If not oh well, we get a refresh
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Ok, I think this thread is done. You can circle around idle disagreement all you want but I offered you a solid theory that proves the probability of not having 14nm from Intel in the mainstream by early-mid 2014, is very low.

We'll see who is right (me).

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