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Hopefully this is ok to post. Kinda technology related.

From CNN. http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/07/03/dnt-woman-fired-for-refusing-brazilian-wax.wtae#/video/us/2013/06/21/newday-pkg-lah-high-tech-car-theft.cnn

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Car thieves have created a device that "overides/reprograms" yor car's computer to unlock it without the alarm going off.

This just blows my mind. Can this be reading some type of infrared from the car computer? Mkaes me think now that no matter what you do nothing is safe.
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Youll want to learn proper formatting for news posts.

try somthing like...

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Watchdogs anybody........ thats what i was thinking watching the video.
I have thought such a device could exist just never heard of it actually existing and being used. The issue I have is how can a handheld device do it in such a small amount of time, if in fact it is somehow bruteforcing.
    
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Doesn't seem all that complicated. All the cars shown in the video come with factory alarm systems(Onstar, etc) that arm through factory immobilizer and security levelers. Factory key fobs work on a pretty broad radio frequency, which is why many fobs will work with different vehicles even if the chipped key doesn't. The fact that the thieves are waving the box around seeing which car in the lot responds makes me believe it's something like this.

I'd only be amazed if you saw them start it and get away. Disarming an immobilizer would be a pretty amazing thing to see in 18 seconds.
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I always thought it was bound to happen. As things get computerized, they can also be hacked. We will juist need to find ways to prevent it and although hackers will always be a bit ahead, we have to try and maintain the gap as small as possible.

 

 

Read the link you just posted:

 

"Woman fired for refusing brazilian wax"

 

I thought it was some sort of mistake hehe

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I always thought it was bound to happen. As things get computerized, they can also be hacked. We will juist need to find ways to prevent it and although hackers will always be a bit ahead, we have to try and maintain the gap as small as possible.

Well, this isn't a knock against computerizing everything. It's no different then "bump keys" getting past mechanical locks.

No matter what kind of security you have, people will find away around it. Go with whatever offers a high enough bar to deter criminals, and is convenient for the end user.
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Nevermind. I have a hunch this might be some kind of rooting situation as opposed to bruteforcing. It only takes sufficient integration of the system's peripherals to allow a "back door" of sorts to be left open. The rest can be attributed to chop shops.

Since this is all speculation though, I may as well go ahead and add my 2cents.gif and say this is the fault of attempting to proprietarize automobile firmware.
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Wait, that guy stole $3000 dollars worth of electronics from that guys car but not the GIGANTIC camera attached to the rearview mirror?
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Doesn't seem all that complicated. All the cars shown in the video come with factory alarm systems(Onstar, etc) that arm through factory immobilizer and security levelers. Factory key fobs work on a pretty broad radio frequency, which is why many fobs will work with different vehicles even if the chipped key doesn't. The fact that the thieves are waving the box around seeing which car in the lot responds makes me believe it's something like this.

I'd only be amazed if you saw them start it and get away. Disarming an immobilizer would be a pretty amazing thing to see in 18 seconds.

Call me paranoid.

So basically this is intercepting the OnStar signal and programming the thieves device.

So if I have just a factory alarm and nothing else I should not even be concerned with this video?
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