Originally Posted by svenge
So you're saying it's NVIDIA's fault for coming up with a method to empirically quantify the flaws in CFX that were suspected to exist for years but couldn't be conclusively proven previously?
Isn't that kinda like Emperor Palpatine blaming Luke Skywalker for the Death Star's destruction when it was the architects who left an unguarded exhaust port in the final design that made it vulnerable in the first place?
Ignorance may be bliss, but not when it comes to engineering. Having sour grapes and lamenting the 7990's lack of popularity because it would've performed "better" on a now-discredited method of measurement is just silly.
I'm definitely not saying it's Nvidia's fault. It's a good thing it was brought to light and that AMD is fixing it. However it's very probably that Nvidia had known about Crossfire frame time issues for a very, very long time. There is no way they haven't bought AMD and ATI cards and ran their own tests on them.
You are missing the point. I'm not blaming Nvidia for anything. The only thing sketchy about what they did was that they waited for the time to release FCAT and such, and even then that's just how it goes. It's not like it's going to kill off AMD.
I don't think you understand the fable of sour grapes. It is a fable about not being able to have things and then basically saying "well it sucks anyways! I don't want it!"
As for your Star Wars analogy, I feel it's a lot more similar to if the Empire knew they had an unguarded exhuast port but intentionally left it open. They would have waited for the rebel attack, stopped it, and then went "look at the rebels, they're terrorists! They're awful!" and that would have been it.
Also, had you read my entire post, you'd notice that I said that all
dual GPU cards aren't as popular. Look at how many people take Titan over GTX 690 just because they don't want to deal with SLI. There's a lot of reasons to avoid dual GPU set ups of any kind, but the whole frame time thing is just one
issue with it that keeps people away, and it's significantly worse for AMD Crossfire and it leaves Nvidia with a prime opportunity to offer a level of performance AMD can't match with a single GPU.
I'm not trying to defend AMD or anything with the 7990, just looking at why it wasn't so successful. Not everyone is some raving emotional nutcase when it comes to hardware that can't analytically look at things. It's a business decision and Nvidia was simply defending their halo product. All of the big 3 x86 ecosystem companies (AMD, Nvidia, Intel) do the same thing, it's business.
Not really sure why you have to get so emotional and start throwing out all these emotional appeals and calling me silly and such. You've laid out the kind of argument where you'd more than likely just go "see he's just in denial! Look he's not agreeing with me!" but I couldn't really care less about halo products (in before you think I'm in denial, it should be obvious from my rig that if I wanted the best I wouldn't have an AMD CPU with an AMD GPU).
It was a very good move by Nvidia and it worked. That's the bottom line, not sure what's so hard to understand. Do you really think Nvidia developed FCAT and such and then around March they finally decided to test it on an AMD card and then instantly went public with it? That's a huge card to play if you ever need to play it, it'd be completely foolish to drop it as soon as you got it.