Originally Posted by NotUrAverageJoe
You started off our conversation by telling me I haven't read anything at all about the phone (without asking me) then telling me you should know because you worked in the store - yet you call me condescending?
Well, when you say ridiculous things, expect to be called out on it Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
You of all people can't be sensitive.
I don't feel the need to win every argument. I am also not informed on every little thing, every little detail, and there are many people who know more than me on virtually every topic I can think of. Yet, when I see someone spreading mis-information I feel I should correct it. That does not happen often as I do not have intricate knowledge of... anything really. Otherwise I'd be talking about it in Universities, but I do have a level of understanding on several topics that is above most. I am also willing to concede defeat, admit my own mis-conceptions and I am generally eager to be proven wrong. I also don't see the need to be sensitive or in-sensitive. I simply aim to be professional. Calling you wrong or inferring your distinct lack of knowledge on a particular camera is not in-sensitive. Is my boss in-sensitive every time he tells me I'm doing something wrong? Of course not. And seriously?
I know more about the camera than you would imagine, and considering the fact I own a few nice real cameras I don't need a press release.
As a reply to this?
Also, you clearly haven't read anything about the camera. Megapixels don't tell you anything except megapixels. Here's a short excerpt just for you.
What is this, an e-peen contest?
Aside from me actually testing out the camera here is an excerpt from one of the many reviews
" UltraPixel is a fancy name HTC made up for its 2-micron pixels that are larger than on most other smartphones, " Not very technical. Does not tell anyone anything. I like the down and dirty, which this review does not in any way provide. There is plenty of documentation on HTC's One camera and you don't need a review to research all the technical specs and implications of such. This review is... amateurish at best, and that's something coming from an amateur.
"The sensor is of course a backside-illuminated one, with a very wide f/2.0 aperture and LED flash" Honestly, the fact that it uses something so obvious as a punchline tells me a lot about the substance of the review. It's l ike Verge 2.0, except with crappier HTML code on the website.
Finally, I don't buy your "read many reviews" remark. You don't even like the phone, do not acknowledge it, provided very scant details about it that anyone can figure just by look at a picture. I'm sure you read a
review since I too read reviews of new tech, but multiple reviews about the same product? I don't see it. For one, seeing as how SD storage and removable batteries rank high on your "list" I simply think you would've crossed this item off your "potential buys/suggestions to friends" simply because it lacks those features. This is what most people do, and it fits your character of a "pragmatist."
For another little proof, you do not post a review that shows detailed specs and analysis of the camera. Like oh I don't know... Google Search and I get this,
Provides about 10 times the information of the review you gave me.
Why such a simple review that a 10th grader could've wrote? Well, simple fact is you haven't done your research into the camera because you don't care much for it. Which is reasonable, I don't do research into Tech I don't care about either.
Now I'm sure I''ll hear all of your excuses and explanations later, but I don't really care. It's irrelevant to the original argument.
You can't justify cutting the megapixels for the sake of quality and still have picture quality issues.
What? If anything, HTC One's camera is better than most when it comes to low-light situations, has better flash performance, and a myriad of other advantages. If anything, this is a step in the right direction, camera technology has not gone in the right direction on smartphone. It has stagnated, this adds a breath of fresh air to those who like to use their cameras. And really? Picture quality issues? That's what you cling on in the face of dozens of "real" issues? Picture quality has very little to do with HTC's concept than it does with the quality of the camera they put in it. Honestly, the biggest gripe with this is the lower pixel detail compared to "normal" cameras. Which again, wouldn't be a problem if the camera is 6MP or 8MP instead of 4MP but, I suspect this is due to the novelty of the technology than anything else.
I should also note if you like cropping your photos 4MP doesn't leave you a lot to work with.
I should also note, that out of millions of photographs I see online, the majority of them look like crap no matter what they use. Every photographer knows that the camera is a very small part of making a good photo. Preparation and technique is 85% of the photo. Unless absolutely everyone who buys a smartphone is an amazing photographer I don't think anyone should really care about the pixels or ultrapixels. Better low-light and flash performance should already make a significantly positive impact on the quality of photos taken by smartphones these days.
I told you already.. they were first to market thus built a substantial user base. The iPhone became the gold standard because they were the innovator. Happens all the time in technology.
It doesn't have anything to do with brand loyalty. If you honestly keep clinging to that ludicrous thought that iPhone "aren't that good and brand loyalty blah blah blah" then you're just completely discrediting yourself. Anybody in the industry, be they in retail, marketing, supply, corporate, or any other part of the command chain will tell you that the iPhone is an excellent and robust platform that is highly competitive. Anybody who tells you otherwise like, high schoolers, college kids, people on this Forum, is out of touch with some facts, numbers, trends, and even common sense.
Their marketing was godlike yes, but their phones are not user friendly dude.
If that's your opinion I'm not gonna argue with it. It's entirely subjective and this is when statistics become the most important number. Statistics generally show us that at the very least, people tolerated and still tolerate
the clunky iOS. For what reason when there's a perfectly user-friendly Android we will never know, but they hold on and hope for a better day.
As I said in another post.. do a blank slate comparison. Put Android against iOS and you'll see iPhone isn't nearly as intuitive.
Subjective. Honestly, Android is great and all, one of my phones runs Android, my other phone is a Windows phone. Between the 3 OSes, Android is by far the most cluttered, frustrating, and difficult to use. It's far more flexible than iOS and Windows for sure, but it also requires a higher mastery of technology to operate properly. Of course that also varies with the different skins and different ROMs companies use.
LOL!!! You just stated the very point I made to you in my last post: some people are just "Apple people" so they'll stick with it for the overall experience. HTC doesn't have the community or reputation or overall ecosystem that Apple has.
What point? This one?
The difference between HTC and Apple is the iPhone even with it's problems was still VASTLY superior to everything else.
Or maybe this one?
By the time a suitable alternative really emerged people were 3-4 years into brand loyality and doing things "The Apple Way". He's absolutely right.. Apple has a preexisting fanbase from being first to market. HTC doesn't.
There were already plenty of alternatives to the iPhone 3G, which is 2 years of Apple dominance at best. Not to mention that there were still thousands of Nokia, Blackberry, and RAZR users back in that day. Hell, I was still using a Nokia back in those days. Apple has faced fierce competition the entire
time since the iPhone launched. First, through old established brands, and then from increasingly fierce competitors. That is not brand loyalty... that is pragmatism. Apple has consistently catered to the trend and shaped it to it's will. Not everything was hit mind you. iOS itself still had many glitches, there were production problems with iPhones, not to mention connectivity issues. Let's be honest, what really attracts people to Apple and away from Android? It's not really that Apple is all that "hipster" or that the "Apple-way leads to salvation" but more of the fact that Apple has provided a consistent satisfying experience a cross all product lines. You know that when you buy an Apple device you don't just buy an Apple device... you buy unmatched customer support, software support, product support, and a lifetime of at least 3-4 years. You also gain access to the robust Apple eco-system. All of their equipment is compatible across the board, they have an App store, an entire OS and many programs designed to work within this system. That's what you really buy with Apple. And with Android? You just buy a phone. Product support is entirely up to the manufacturer, the Atrix an Photon for example, a disaster for those who bought it really.
Now , to your first post.
Originally Posted by NotUrAverageJoe
Belive it or not the vast majority of consumers aren't super picky about build quality. They're much more concerned with software. Let's look at the HTC One again..
- No microSD
- No removable battery
- Terrible relationship with the modding community
- Low Resolution camera
- The worst thing of all that no one has mentioned: Blinkfeed
Blinkfeed is just a Windows Phone knockoff that can't even be removed. I'm literally afraid they don't force an OTA onto my phone and have me stuck with that junk. It wouldn't be such a big deal if people actually liked Blinkfeed but HTC diehards are split over it.
Now if you had just 1 or 2 of those problems you might be okay. To have all 5 is a freaking joke.
You listed reasons why HTC One is unsuccessful when it in fact... had a solid launch, considering their situation, position in the market, and brand recognition. It offers a good experience software wise, from my POV that is, and is build with beautiful hardware. Not to mention you list the 5 like they cause an unsuccessful phone... when nothing could be further from the truth. Honestly, as long as the phone is smooth and familiar to the user, not even the software matters, for the casual user anyway.
You mention Samsung being latest fad without any thought as to why. They made a better product, and the buzz spread about it being better than the iPhone.
Another thing, Samsung is a fad. There is nothing special about their Galaxy brand other than excellent marketing. There are many tablets and many phones that are just as good, and given the same circumstances as Samsung would do just as well. So yes, Samsung is a fad and there is nothing wrong with that. All things considering I'd rather have a GS4 rather than the HTC One as the "anti-iPhone." GS4 is far more pragmatic and useful in comparison to the One. It's recognition will also hopefully, help push removable batteries and SD storage. Yes, confusing as it is, the Apple iPhone is actually the fighter here, and GS4 is the spoiled child. As counter-intuitive as it is to hear for you, that is the reality of things. Honestly, have you ever actually seen Samsung innovate anything in the mobile space? For all the crap that Apple gets, it's actually Apple that makes the market evolve.
Originally Posted by Domino
The HTC One is, technically, the best phone on the market today...
In some respects, but it's definitely not the best. It looks good, feels good, made out of good stuff, but the S4 is far more practical, has more utility, and is just a more efficient machine for most users. It is subjective but when you try to be utilitarian... the S4 is clearly superior.
Maybe the mass is just...a little... slow?
Man, it sucks to see a good company that makes quality products sink. And when you hear about the 5S, you can't help but laugh how they aren't down by 83%.
The HTC One is essentially the only product HTC has. Their revenue is down because their old products don't sell due to age, and their new product is past launch, which means it's sales will be slow now. With nothing else out there HTC is obviously not going to earn anything until there is.Edited by HanSomPa - 7/10/13 at 12:09pm