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The closed OS, iOS, is the problem with the iPhone. Before the HTC One, it didn't have a peer in build quality until very recently manufacturers have started to put a bit higher emphasis on said build quality.

And surprisingly I'm not an HTC person. I only got the Inspire 4G because it was free at Best Buy for one day when my contract had actually ended and I needed a new phone. Other than that, I've either had Motorola, LG, or Samsung.

Belive it or not the vast majority of consumers aren't super picky about build quality. They're much more concerned with software. Let's look at the HTC One again..

  • No microSD
  • No removable battery
  • Terrible relationship with the modding community
  • Low Resolution camera
  • The worst thing of all that no one has mentioned: Blinkfeed

Blinkfeed is just a Windows Phone knockoff that can't even be removed. I'm literally afraid they don't force an OTA onto my phone and have me stuck with that junk. It wouldn't be such a big deal if people actually liked Blinkfeed but HTC diehards are split over it.

Now if you had just 1 or 2 of those problems you might be okay. To have all 5 is a freaking joke.
    
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Let me ask everyone here a serious question. I am sure most of us have a phone that has been made in the last two years. What value do we get from a new phone? What can it do that our current one cannot? It may be slightly faster. If you had only 3G in the past you will certainly see the difference in 4G. I personally have had 4G HSPA+ for the last two years and its good enough.

I think that people don't realize how quickly phones advanced in a short period. Now, we are at the phase where they are good enough. Google Maps with free navigation. Check. Bus schedule and arrivals - check. How tall is Justin Timberlake? 6' 0". I saw a wax statue of him in Times Square and they had him at like 6' 5". Looked it up and boo-yah. Anyway, my two year old phone does what it needs to well. Newer phones are marginally better. T-Mobile has introduced and exposed the cell phone pricing industry. Basically, Verizon and AT&T automatically put in a monthly subsidized phone charge that is hidden. After two years you better upgrade your phone because you are paying for it whether you upgrade or not.

The subsidized price is basically $20 a month for two years. So, any phone you get, you are at least paying $480 for it. Now, with TMo you pay a lower monthly if you purchase your own phone. This is why eBay prices on smart phones are outrageous. So, people are basically coming to the conclusion that is it worth it to spend this kind of cash every two years? I mean, generally these newer phones have $200 on top of the $480, so you are spending $680 on a phone. That is outrageous. I love my phone and feel naked without it. I also hate what they have done to society. I go to bars to hang out, meet people, try and chat it up with some ladies. The girls are all buried in their phones oblivious to their surroundings. I go to family functions and everyone is on the couch buried in their phone.

I am from the time when there were no cell phones. I would call my friends to hang out and have to walk there or meet them at the time I said I would. If someone wanted to get ahold of me they would have to wait until I got back. I wasn't chastised for not getting back within a couple minutes or accused of ignoring.

Hopefully we go back to a more sane future were we interact like people and not merely chemical synapses translated to electronic charge.

I would say there is a possibility the novelty of cell phones may wane and what we have is good enough and we go back to be humans with merely another tool in our pocket that we don't constantly marvel over. jm2c
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I say they got what they deserved. Sense is bloated and hardware can't run it smoothly. The screen on the htc One wasn't large enough. They didn't give us what we wanted at all.
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I say they got what they deserved. Sense is bloated and hardware can't run it smoothly. The screen on the htc One wasn't large enough. They didn't give us what we wanted at all.

I agree with the screen, but having used both phones(and settled on the GS4) Sense 5 on HTC One is smoother than Touchwiz Nature UX2 on GS4, plus far less bloat. If bloat is your problem there is the Google edition One.
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Belive it or not the vast majority of consumers aren't super picky about build quality. They're much more concerned with software. Let's look at the HTC One again..

  • No microSD
  • No removable battery
  • Terrible relationship with the modding community
  • Low Resolution camera
  • The worst thing of all that no one has mentioned: Blinkfeed

Blinkfeed is just a Windows Phone knockoff that can't even be removed. I'm literally afraid they don't force an OTA onto my phone and have me stuck with that junk. It wouldn't be such a big deal if people actually liked Blinkfeed but HTC diehards are split over it.

Now if you had just 1 or 2 of those problems you might be okay. To have all 5 is a freaking joke.

Believe it or not you are absolutely wrong. The iPhone has had all of those problems since Day 1. Also, you clearly haven't read anything about the camera. Megapixels don't tell you anything except megapixels. Here's a short excerpt just for you.

"While some may decry the tradeoff of resolution for sensitivity and dynamic range, the reality is that we live in a world dominated by displays that are either 1080p, slightly above, or share via web-based services that dramatically downscale images for bandwidth reasons. The question is then how much resolution is really necessary given predominately electronic displays start to finish and lack of much printing or enlargement. At least for my workflow, 4 or 5 MP seems more than adequate for most sharing, especially if it’s sharp and ends up having good dynamic range, and that’s still enough resolution to downsample to 1080p and get an even sharper-looking image. There’s also a case to be made for storage requirements which are lighter and so on, but most of that is obvious. The benefits from having more sensor sensitivity are also immediate – no need to fire the distracting flash in a restaurant or at a party, shorter exposure times with less blurring, quicker follow up shots, more accurate preview, and so on."

Aesthetics weigh in far more than removable batteries or external storage with most customers. I've also worked as a Tmobile sales rep during my senior year of high school so I have lots of experience in the industry. Most customers either want something cheap and reliable, the latest fad, what their friends suggest, or something pretty. It's very hard to dissuade a customer once they've made that internal choice. Most customers used to come in for HTC phones,nowadays I imagine everyone wants a Samsung ohone. Not because of any features, but because it's the current bandwagon. Most people don't even know the difference between the two. Heck, the only people who care about the things you mentioned are essentiallt the tech community. As far as I can see, HTC just has a problem with the way they market themselves. Samsung has done a terrific job in that regard and placed themselves as an "opponent" to the iPhone. In other worsa, if you don't get an iPhone, you get the Samsung. Which is very smart marketing from my POV.
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The subsidized price is basically $20 a month for two years.

You are also forced to pay for an outrageous phone plan. Personally, I pay 25$ a month for 500 minutes and 2GB 4G from Tmobile. I know all the deals and tricks they use. I use an app for texting and I only really talk on the phone for 3-5 minutes. The people I do talk for a long tiem to, like my girlfriend, my parenst, or my friends, All have Tmobile as well. Now with most people they spend upwards to 120$ on their phone bill. Individually, not even a family plan. I remember that my family used to pay 140$ a month just for talking minutes, None of us had smartphone. After a while I managed to convince my parents to go over th eplan againa nd we cut that number by 80$. We paid 60$ after. After I moved out that number was reduced to 50$. So no, yu pay the majority of your phone off plus a crap ton of extra dough through these ridiculous plans.
Edited by HanSomPa - 7/7/13 at 2:02pm
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Believe it or not you are absolutely wrong. The iPhone has had all of those problems since Day 1. Also, you clearly haven't read anything about the camera. Megapixels don't tell you anything except megapixels. Here's a short excerpt just for you.

"While some may decry the tradeoff of resolution for sensitivity and dynamic range, the reality is that we live in a world dominated by displays that are either 1080p, slightly above, or share via web-based services that dramatically downscale images for bandwidth reasons. The question is then how much resolution is really necessary given predominately electronic displays start to finish and lack of much printing or enlargement. At least for my workflow, 4 or 5 MP seems more than adequate for most sharing, especially if it’s sharp and ends up having good dynamic range, and that’s still enough resolution to downsample to 1080p and get an even sharper-looking image. There’s also a case to be made for storage requirements which are lighter and so on, but most of that is obvious. The benefits from having more sensor sensitivity are also immediate – no need to fire the distracting flash in a restaurant or at a party, shorter exposure times with less blurring, quicker follow up shots, more accurate preview, and so on."

Aesthetics weigh in far more than removable batteries or external storage with most customers. I've also worked as a Tmobile sales rep during my senior year of high school so I have lots of experience in the industry. Most customers either want something cheap and reliable, the latest fad, what their friends suggest, or something pretty. It's very hard to dissuade a customer once they've made that internal choice. Most customers used to come in for HTC phones,nowadays I imagine everyone wants a Samsung ohone. Not because of any features, but because it's the current bandwagon. Most people don't even know the difference between the two. Heck, the only people who care about the things you mentioned are essentiallt the tech community. As far as I can see, HTC just has a problem with the way they market themselves. Samsung has done a terrific job in that regard and placed themselves as an "opponent" to the iPhone. In other worsa, if you don't get an iPhone, you get the Samsung. Which is very smart marketing from my POV.

I know more about the camera than you would imagine, and considering the fact I own a few nice real cameras I don't need a press release. No disrespect but I can tell you worked in a store - you seem to have their limited contextual knowledge of things. Anyways, the average Joe looks at the numbers and they consider 4MP a joke when others offer 8 or even 12. You mention Samsung being latest fad without any thought as to why. They made a better product, and the buzz spread about it being better than the iPhone. IT

The difference between HTC and Apple is the iPhone even with it's problems was still VASTLY superior to everything else. Remember the Samsung Instinct? It was dog slow unresponsive and had an average camera with mediocre software - and it was the iPhones best alternative. Palm Pre eventually came out but it had horrible hardware and so many returns they almost got a class action lawsuit. By the time a suitable alternative really emerged people were 3-4 years into brand loyality and doing things "The Apple Way". He's absolutely right.. Apple has a preexisting fanbase from being first to market. HTC doesn't.
    
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Let me ask everyone here a serious question. I am sure most of us have a phone that has been made in the last two years. What value do we get from a new phone? What can it do that our current one cannot? It may be slightly faster. If you had only 3G in the past you will certainly see the difference in 4G. I personally have had 4G HSPA+ for the last two years and its good enough.

I think that people don't realize how quickly phones advanced in a short period. Now, we are at the phase where they are good enough. Google Maps with free navigation. Check. Bus schedule and arrivals - check. How tall is Justin Timberlake? 6' 0". I saw a wax statue of him in Times Square and they had him at like 6' 5". Looked it up and boo-yah. Anyway, my two year old phone does what it needs to well. Newer phones are marginally better.

10000% agree.

My current phone has several upgrades due to newer hardware and tech, yet is a major step down from my Evo 3D when it comes to everyday usability. I just seems like people have forsaken function for flash.
    
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Here's the thing.. all of that would matter the iPhone actually was a good phone - it isn't. Most who have it are just Apple people. So unless you're just an HTC person (which you seem to be) you're not going to like the phone.

WHat makes the phone actually bad?

Is it slow?
Is call quality bad?
Is battery life bad?
Is their warranty a joke?
Do they not have LTE?
Etc.

No. So what exactly, and factually is making it a bad phone?
 
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10000% agree.

My current phone has several upgrades due to newer hardware and tech, yet is a major step down from my Evo 3D when it comes to everyday usability. I just seems like people have forsaken function for flash.

It's the cool thing to do, I see friends who have gone through thousands over the last few years switching to every new phone. Not going to lie, I did it too while I could afford it for kicks. I came to the same conclusion as you, although my beef is with battery life. My phone (HTC Amaze) couldn't even last half a day doing little things. I don't listen to music on it, I don't watch videos on it. Just for the occasional google, lots of texts and 1-2 calls. It won't even last half a day...which is why I have to use the old galaxy s as a media device.

Seems like I'v gone back in time, when cellphones were candybars or sliders, and most people had an iPod for music. One day, there will be a phone made that will actually last...one day!
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It's the cool thing to do, I see friends who have gone through thousands over the last few years switching to every new phone. Not going to lie, I did it too while I could afford it for kicks. I came to the same conclusion as you, although my beef is with battery life. My phone (HTC Amaze) couldn't even last half a day doing little things. I don't listen to music on it, I don't watch videos on it. Just for the occasional google, lots of texts and 1-2 calls. It won't even last half a day...which is why I have to use the old galaxy s as a media device.

Seems like I'v gone back in time, when cellphones were candybars or sliders, and most people had an iPod for music. One day, there will be a phone made that will actually last...one day!

With the way Lithium ion battery technology & cellphone SOC improves every year, you are missing out if you don't switch to a new phone every year and sell your old phone(1 year old flagship phone generally fetch around 300, early upgrade while on a contract cost about $450-500 after tax, so the cost is only about $200 every year). Not to mention not upgrading every year means your phone won't always have warranty(as smartphone warranty is only 1 year in the US).

For example:

2011 Galaxy S2: 4.3" 480X800 Screen, 1.5Ghz Dual Core Scorpion(Snapdragon S3) on 45nm process with single channel LPDDR2-333, 1650mAh battery

2012 Galaxy S3: 4.8" 720X1280 Screen(20.6% larger), 1.5Ghz Dual Core Krait (Snapdragon S4) on 28nm LP process with dual channel LPDDR2-553, 2100mAh battery(27% larger).

Performance difference between Krait and Scorpion architecture can be found here.

2013 Galaxy S4 5.0" 1080X1920 Screen(13% larger), 1.9Ghz Quad Core Krait300(Snadpdragon 600) on 28nm LPM process with dual channel LPDDR3-800, 2600mAh battery(23.8% larger)

Performance difference between Krait 300 and Krait can be found here.


Given how fast the technology is evolving in the ultra-mobile space, upgrading your phone every year is a much more rewarding than upgrade your CPU and motherboard every year, as a 2600K+Z68 mobo in 2011 offers you just as much performance as a 4770K+Z87 right now, whereas you can't say the same about a S2 vs a S4 right now.
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