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@Fulvin I'm an air guy, no water for me.

You do realize how "ridiculous" that sounds right? They make All-in-One water cooling kits now. Like the Corsair H80i and 100i, NZXT Kraken, or Swiftech H220 that are easy to install. Basically require no maintenance. Are easy to disassemble. They provide better temps than the best air coolers out there and literally anyone could set one of these up in their rig. This will easily drop your temps quite a bit, and not only put your computer at more comfortable levels but also give you more overclocking headroom. Plus, they usually cost about the same amount as the best air coolers.
Actually a lot of air coolers perform better than most CLC's
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I searched for "vice deliding method" and found a video of that IHS popping off almost instantly lol. Almost makes me want to try it. Almost. rolleyes.gif So far all is well with my 4.5 on air. Was this the correct forum for all of this spam I've been doing?
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Actually a lot of air coolers perform better than most CLC's

Show me one air cooler than performs better than an H110, Kraken X60 or Swiftech H220. rolleyes.gif

Please don't spread misinformation... there's enough already.

The only ones that can come close to performing on par with an AIO is expensive $80-90 Air Coolers, and like I said, they perform as good not better... swap the fans on those units and it's a whole different story.
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Actually a lot of air coolers perform better than most CLC's

Show me one air cooler than performs better than an H110, Kraken X60 or Swiftech H220. rolleyes.gif

Please don't spread misinformation... there's enough already.

The only ones that can come close to performing on par with an AIO is expensive $80-90 Air Coolers, and like I said, they perform as good not better... swap the fans on those units and it's a whole different story.
I said most air coolers perform better than most CLC's that's completely true closed loop coolers like the h100 were terrible with a lot of air coolers being able to surpass it. They've only recently gotten to the point where they're actually worth considering. Also most CLC's are in the 100$ plus range to have an air cooler that performs similar for less is still a plus
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I said most air coolers perform better than most CLC's that's completely true closed loop coolers like the h100 were terrible with a lot of air coolers being able to surpass it. They've only recently gotten to the point where they're actually worth considering. Also most CLC's are in the 100$ plus range to have an air cooler that performs similar for less is still a plus

That's complete nonsense. The top air coolers come close to the H100, they don't surpass it in any situation. Recently gotten to a point where they are worth considering? That's more nonsense. Show me one Air Cooler than will keep a 2500k @ 25-27C idle @ 1.464v @ 4.9GHz and 55-60C load in Prime95 @ 4.9GHz @ 1.480v. I'm doing this is with the original H100 with different fans in Push/Pull.

Most quality Air Coolers that will actually allow you to hit high overclocks are in the $78-90 price range. You spend $10-20 more and you are in H100i, H110, NZXT Kraken X60 territory. There are no Air Coolers touching the H110 or X60. Spend $50 more and you are in H220 territory that will allow you to add more to the loop and modify it to your liking. Air Coolers don't perform similar to these AIO units and cost lest. Anything that costs less that $80 is not allowing you to overclock as high as an AIO or going to keep the temps as low. Noctua NH-D14 - $80, Thermalright Silver Arrow - $90, Phanteks PH-TC14PE - $80, Prolimatech Megahalens - $90. These are the only Air Coolers that are able to offer similar performance to an AIO unit and they cost just about the same. Except, they are bulky, a pain to install, a pain to uninstall, a pain to work around, they limit the type of memory you can use, their maintenance isn't as easy oh and lastly they don't offer the same performance but near the same performance as SOME of the lesser AIO units. Throw higher static pressure fans on any of these AIO units in Push/Pull and it works wonders...

Like I said, don't spread misinformation. wink.gif
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I said most air coolers perform better than most CLC's that's completely true closed loop coolers like the h100 were terrible with a lot of air coolers being able to surpass it. They've only recently gotten to the point where they're actually worth considering. Also most CLC's are in the 100$ plus range to have an air cooler that performs similar for less is still a plus

That's complete nonsense. The top air coolers come close to the H100, they don't surpass it in any situation. Recently gotten to a point where they are worth considering? That's more nonsense. Show me one Air Cooler than will keep a 2500k @ 25-27C idle @ 1.464v @ 4.9GHz and 55-60C load in Prime95 @ 4.9GHz @ 1.480v. I'm doing this is with the original H100 with different fans in Push/Pull.

Most quality Air Coolers that will actually allow you to hit high overclocks are in the $78-90 price range. You spend $10-20 more and you are in H100i, H110, NZXT Kraken X60 territory. There are no Air Coolers touching the H110 or X60. Spend $50 more and you are in H220 territory that will allow you to add more to the loop and modify it to your liking. Air Coolers don't perform similar to these AIO units and cost lest. Anything that costs less that $80 is not allowing you to overclock as high as an AIO or going to keep the temps as low. Noctua NH-D14 - $80, Thermalright Silver Arrow - $90, Phanteks PH-TC14PE - $80, Prolimatech Megahalens - $90. These are the only Air Coolers that are able to offer similar performance to an AIO unit and they cost just about the same. Except, they are bulky, a pain to install, a pain to uninstall, a pain to work around, they limit the type of memory you can use, their maintenance isn't as easy oh and lastly they don't offer the same performance but near the same performance as SOME of the lesser AIO units. Throw higher static pressure fans on any of these AIO units in Push/Pull and it works wonders...

Like I said, don't spread misinformation. wink.gif
I really don't feel like arguing so I'm just going to do this as quick as possible
Here's a quote from a member who basically sums up why air coolers were better than Corsairs old closed loop water coolers
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^^^ The problem with closed loop coolers (CLCs), like Corsair H series, Antec, etc. is as follows:

Compared to highend HeatSink Fans, aka air coolers, independent objective testing has shown that CLCs are:

1. Thermally Inferior

2. Expensive

3. Noisy

4. Capable of water leaks that can destroy hundreds of dollars in PC hardware

5. AIR is used to cool the radiator in closed loop liquid systems

These are objective FACTS, not opinions regarding CLCs, from actual testing. The only current CLC that even equals a highend HSF for cooling is the Corsair H100 and it is twice as expensive as the Xigmatek Aegir SD128264 and has the very real liability of a water-leak that a HSF does not have.

http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054

As far as highend HSFs there are plenty to chose from. The CNPS12X is a upper mid-level HSF. There are others that are more effective for high thermal loads. No one could accurately state which exact model HSF is "best" as that will vary slightly with your definition of "best" and how the unit performs in your specific PC case with your PC hardware. Most any of the highend HSFs will serve people well for OC'ing.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2572&page=4

As always I recommend that people technically educate themselves on the Pros and Cons of each cooler option and then pick the hardware that Makes Them Happy.

Instead of another Pissfest on air vs. liquid CPU cooling, I suggest reading the existing threads where all of the air vs. liquid cooling Pros and Cons are discussed instead of another thread that deteriorates into the same arguments.

The Air Cooling Forum has numerous threads on air vs. water cooling for review.

http://www.overclock.net/f/246/air-cooling

Not everything you read there is technically accurate however so always do your homework to determine fact from subjective opinion.


Here's an air cooler beating a H100
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2671&page=4


Also most of the CLC's you've listed are like 150$ you do save money going air cooling with results that are similar to most closed loop coolers. You can get a cooler master hyper 212 evo for like 20$ and be able to reach 4.5 on sandy that's a pretty high overclock so don't make it seem like only the most expensive of the air coolers will be able to reach a high overclock
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That's complete nonsense. The top air coolers come close to the H100, they don't surpass it in any situation. Recently gotten to a point where they are worth considering? That's more nonsense. Show me one Air Cooler than will keep a 2500k @ 25-27C idle @ 1.464v @ 4.9GHz and 55-60C load in Prime95 @ 4.9GHz @ 1.480v. I'm doing this is with the original H100 with different fans in Push/Pull.

Most quality Air Coolers that will actually allow you to hit high overclocks are in the $78-90 price range. You spend $10-20 more and you are in H100i, H110, NZXT Kraken X60 territory. There are no Air Coolers touching the H110 or X60. Spend $50 more and you are in H220 territory that will allow you to add more to the loop and modify it to your liking. Air Coolers don't perform similar to these AIO units and cost lest. Anything that costs less that $80 is not allowing you to overclock as high as an AIO or going to keep the temps as low. Noctua NH-D14 - $80, Thermalright Silver Arrow - $90, Phanteks PH-TC14PE - $80, Prolimatech Megahalens - $90. These are the only Air Coolers that are able to offer similar performance to an AIO unit and they cost just about the same. Except, they are bulky, a pain to install, a pain to uninstall, a pain to work around, they limit the type of memory you can use, their maintenance isn't as easy oh and lastly they don't offer the same performance but near the same performance as SOME of the lesser AIO units. Throw higher static pressure fans on any of these AIO units in Push/Pull and it works wonders...

Like I said, don't spread misinformation. wink.gif

They also don't leak on the most expensive component in a PC.
Edited by littledonny - 7/5/13 at 11:05pm
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They also don't leak on the most expensive component in a PC.

I've seen many threads on OCN of H100's leaking onto the GPU actually.
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They also don't leak on the most expensive component in a PC.

I've seen many threads on OCN of H100's leaking onto the GPU actually.
I think he said that in a sarcastic manner tongue.gif
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They also don't leak on the most expensive component in a PC.
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I've seen many threads on OCN of H100's leaking onto the GPU actually.

Yeah, let's all nitpick about isolated incidents that are not the MAJORITY of what happens to people who use them (as well as not even adding in the fact that these companies WILL REPLACE your components if it does happen).

Seriously, you might as well not drive your car, because people get into car accidents because of car malfunctions... with that type of logic... rolleyes.gif
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I really don't feel like arguing so I'm just going to do this as quick as possible
Here's a quote from a member who basically sums up why air coolers were better than Corsairs old closed loop water coolers
Here's an air cooler beating a H100
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2671&page=4


Also most of the CLC's you've listed are like 150$ you do save money going air cooling with results that are similar to most closed loop coolers. You can get a cooler master hyper 212 evo for like 20$ and be able to reach 4.5 on sandy that's a pretty high overclock so don't make it seem like only the most expensive of the air coolers will be able to reach a high overclock

1) Don't need to argue, just stating facts that aren't skewed by biased individuals who prefer dated technology over the far superior options that are available.
2) Everything that person said is either highly inaccurate or a flat out lie or based on context based information that is irrelevant in the testing environments where you would require better cooling.
3) In the review quoted by the person himself you come to find, exactly what I'm talking about:



In the frostytech.com review, they don't even state anywhere what overclock they are achieving if any at all. Best part about it, is you make sure you submit the AMD results over the Intel results which obviously run hotter. When you look at the Intel results, what do you find, oh the H100 sitting in Second Place. What's in first place? A Phase Change setup. Do you even bother to look at what you posted or are you just copy and pasting?

Now, obviously if you are trying to compare heat dissipation of a unit that is designed to dissipate heat fast but there is no heat to actually dissipate. Then you now have a problematic factor involved in your research. The product is designed to do it's job, but now it's not able to do it because of an obviously skewed test. Try putting an actual overclock on any of those heatsinks, and watch them push your CPU to dangerous temperatures quite rapidly. Something you will not have to worry about with a custom loop or AIO cooling unit. 4.5GHz is not a "pretty high overclock" maybe to someone who's overclocking for their first time they might perceive that as some great result. However, I hate to brake it to you. 4.5GHz is pretty standard, and that's why it's achievable on a Hyper 212. Only expensive coolers can reach higher overclocks, because again, 4.5GHz is not high at all - it's typical. Try doing 5.2GHz bench runs on a Hyper 212 @ 1.52v or even on one of those expensive Air Coolers. Seriously just try it and report back your temps. Try getting a 4.8-5.0GHz daily overclock on any of those Air Coolers, mind you without some golden chip that can do 4.8-5.0GHz at some godly voltage - like under 1.45v. If you want to push your overclocks further and you have a mediocre or typical chip. You are going to need better cooling, period. Air Coolers just aren't going to cut it. I mean, even look at people trying to push their chips on Ivy Bridge or Haswell beyond 4.5Ghz without delidding. It's just not going to be plausible. The days of cool CPU's like Sandy Bridge are over. They are only going to get hotter because they are experimenting with other means of cooling in testing situations that fare better with sub-zero cooling. If you want to push your CPU further, you need better cooling and in most scenarios Air Cooling just won't cut it, period. If it did, then people wouldn't even bother with other ways of cooling their CPUs. redface.gif
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 7/5/13 at 11:57pm
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