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AMD has 65nm process technology.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...114609,00.html

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Launching the next generation of energy-efficient computing, AMD (NYSE: AMD) today announced the transition to 65nm process technology, beginning with the immediate availability of energy-efficient AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 dual-core desktop processors.
They are only allowing these chips to be used in non overclockable OEM machines. I wonder why? Someday it will be nice to see that technology in the Retail stores at a per chip purchase to be able to test the overclock on user systems.

Do NOT be surprised if overclocking of these chips is lackluster.
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post #32 of 63
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How am I pessimistic when I'm willing to switch to which ever that offer the better performace/price ratio again? I'd think I'm rather optimistic in the direction that technology is heading for.

And I didn't "give up" on AMD, because I was never committed to it, just like how I'm not committed to Intel. I don't know how you think, but I don't believe there is a need to stay loyal to only one company when it doesn't benefit you at all to stay loyal.

Why do you take my post out of context? Never did I mentioned fanboys or that it was wrong for you to make the switch.

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Well to me, AMD's 4x4 shows the same brilliance that Intel showed when it stuck two Prescotts together to make its Pentium D 8xx CPUs. Both were acts of desperation and overall dumb ideas.

AMD has 65nm process technology. Would it really hurt to make a few thousand more 65nm CPUs for the FX-7x series? Its not like its gonna cause shortages, since theyre only making a small amount for the enthusiast market.
As it is, this is only a band-aid to cover the nasty wound Intel dealt AMD. AMD is pushing the 90nm tech. to its limits, and honestly, why would they make the switch if people are still willing to buy 90nm chips. It's not only about innovation and staying on the cutting edge, but simple economics as well. Both Intel and AMD are following different business plans; Intel's seems to be to over saturate and overheat the market in the hopes that its competition will simply "melt" away, while AMD is following a more controlled, and shall we say, "greedy" route.
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65nm is only going to give a tiny bit of head room to the speeds of the chips. We'll have to wait until a better generation of SOI to get the speeds up. Too bad we haven't really heard any updates on this....
    
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Well to me, AMD's 4x4 shows the same brilliance that Intel showed when it stuck two Prescotts together to make its Pentium D 8xx CPUs. Both were acts of desperation and overall dumb ideas.

AMD has 65nm process technology. Would it really hurt to make a few thousand more 65nm CPUs for the FX-7x series? Its not like its gonna cause shortages, since theyre only making a small amount for the enthusiast market.
Quad core opteron anyone?
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Well to me, AMD's 4x4 shows the same brilliance that Intel showed when it stuck two Prescotts together to make its Pentium D 8xx CPUs. Both were acts of desperation and overall dumb ideas.

AMD has 65nm process technology. Would it really hurt to make a few thousand more 65nm CPUs for the FX-7x series? Its not like its gonna cause shortages, since theyre only making a small amount for the enthusiast market.

I agree whole heartedly. I think AMD is just passing off the fx7x platform to hold them out until they drop a big bomb on us....or at least I can dream right? I understand the chip is still in reference stages and they havent gotten all the twerks out yet. But IMO even a reference chip should post better numbers than that. Every review I have read has stated that these chips are poor overclockers, which is very un-characteristic of AMD...Ill still hang around and wait to see what they do.
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Does no one know about K8L and the improvements it has over K8?

Thats the bombshell, thats the "secret plan".. ect ect.

All FX series will now be on 4x4 where processors will be sold in pairs.
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I have not heard anything new about the k8l yet. I will do some digging to see what I can find. That is what I am really waiting for.
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Does no one know about K8L and the improvements it has over K8?

Thats the bombshell, thats the "secret plan".. ect ect.

All FX series will now be on 4x4 where processors will be sold in pairs.
weren't we just talking about not jumping to conclusions about stuff that aren't available yet? How do you KNOW for sure that the K8L is that revolutionary? I'm not doubting that it is, but I am interested in how you are so confident. And I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here, maybe the reason why all the overclocking tests on the quad fx are abysmal is because of the sample cpus or some other reason, so hopefully they will overclock better retailed.
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weren't we just talking about not jumping to conclusions about stuff that aren't available yet? How do you KNOW for sure that the K8L is that revolutionary? I'm not doubting that it is, but I am interested in how you are so confident. And I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here, maybe the reason why all the overclocking tests on the quad fx are abysmal is because of the sample cpus or some other reason, so hopefully they will overclock better retailed.
I sure hope so, because 200Mhz is CRAP....especially for the pricetag these chips will have on them.
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weren't we just talking about not jumping to conclusions about stuff that aren't available yet? How do you KNOW for sure that the K8L is that revolutionary? I'm not doubting that it is, but I am interested in how you are so confident. And I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here, maybe the reason why all the overclocking tests on the quad fx are abysmal is because of the sample cpus or some other reason, so hopefully they will overclock better retailed.
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* ISA additions and extensions:
o New instructions LZCNT, POPCNT, EXTRQ/INSERTQ, MOVNTSD/MOVNTSS
o Extension to the AMD64 instruction set during 2007; it is unclear whether AMD plans this for Revision G or Revision H chips.
o New SIMD instruction set and new, wide SIMD units; in a yet unspecified time frame.
o Implementation and possibly adding extensions of SSSE3 (which was called "SSE4" prior to its official name announced) and/or SSE4 , which AMD codenamed SSE4a.

* Execution pipeline enhancements:
o More aggressive prefetching (16 bytes to 32 bytes)
o Out of order loads
o 128 bit wide Floating point units
o Larger Out of Order (OoO) buffers
o Greater number of entries in Branch Target Buffer
o Probable new additions to micro-ops ROM

* Integration of new technologies onto CPU die:
o Four processor cores (Quad-core)
o independently changeable core voltages
o Split Power Planes, first dubbed Dynamic Independent Core Engagement or D.I.C.E. by AMD and is now known as Enhanced Cool 'n' Quiet, which "clock-gen" or PLL (Phase-locked loop) present in each core and the northbridge, allowing the cores and the northbridge to scale up and down power consumptions automatically. [16]
o Large Level-3 non-inclusive cache, initially expected to be a minimum of 2MB shared cache between processing cores on a single die (each with 512 KB of independent second-level cache).
o Z-RAM technology, projected to bring 4-5 times the cell density of current SRAM for CPU cache, which may or may not be in time for 2007 implementation.

* Improvements in the memory subsystem:
o 48-bit memory addressing for the address BUS of massive memory subsystems
o Simultaneous DDR2, DDR3 support
o FB-DIMM support in server processors for Opterons after year 2008
o Memory mirroring support and Enhanced RAS
o Possible use of an interim socket dubbed "Socket AM2+" which only supports HT 3.0 and DDR2.
o Possible use of new socket (Socket AM3), containing both DDR2 and DDR3 controllers: AM3 chips to be backward compatible with Socket AM2 motherboards; but socket AM2 chips will not be compatible with AM3 motherboards. Recent information indicates that Socket AM3 may not be deployed until AMD's 45nm manufacturing process is ready, due to the anticipated slow adoption of DDR3 (despite both bandwidth and energy efficiency over DDR2); [17].
o In recent reports[18], AMD K8L CPUs will adapt two sockets namely "Socket AM2+" and "Socket F+", which is capable of running HyperTransport 3.0 with the use of DDR2 DIMMs. The "Socket AM3" will be postponed until 2008, the two suggested sockets have the same pin definitions as the old Socket AM2 and Socket F with the only difference of the capability of running HyperTransport 3.0 at working frequencies higher than 1.6 GHz.
o Quad-core parts are rumored to have two 64-bit independent memory controllers each with its own physical address space thus giving an opportunity to better utilize the available bandwidth in case of random memory accesses occurring in heavily multi-threaded environment. This approach is in a contrary to the previous "interleaved" design, where the two 64-bit data channels are bounded to a single common address space. It will be the first single-chip implementation of the non-uniform memory access architecture.

* Improvements in system interconnect:
o HyperTransport retry support
o Support for HyperTransport 3.0, with HyperTransport Link unganging which creates 8 point-to-point links per socket.
o Support for HyperTransport 4.0 at an unspecified date; according to techreport.com[19] and some other sources.
o Increased number of HyperTransport links per processor package to 4 (from 3 in current Opterons), and maximum socket count to 32; this will be implemented in Revision H Opterons.

* Platform-level enhancements with additional functionality:
o Official support for coprocessors connected via HyperTransport Expansion Slot (HTX)
o Opening cache coherent HyperTransport (ccHT) standard to third party developments: Torrenza initiative.
o Vector coprocessor support, which will bring 1-2 orders of FP/SIMD performance increase if a specialized processor is attached via coherent HyperTransport link in a specialized socket.
o Possible integration of GPU functionalities onto a CPU die or package.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K8L

Basically sums up what could be an hour of research.

But I never said it was revolutionary, I did say though that THIS is what AMD is going to be releasing, dont overlook it. It seems like no one knows about it and says "oh.. i hope AMD has something".
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