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Automated driving is not a gimmick in the least. It's the future that people have been dreaming about for half a century and it will not only make driving more efficient, but ultimately cut down on deaths from traffic accidents and probably go a long way towards solving many traffic problems. The company that does it first properly will make untold billions.

The future is not only in the web, but in so many other things. Google is diversifying their portfolio, only an idiot puts all their eggs into one basket.

I for one will never stand for automated cars. I am an enthusiast, I love driving my car, I love being a member of car ownership clubs and talking to people who are as similarly enthusiastic and passionate as me. I will never ever allow for automated cars to become compulsory. Sure, if you want an automated car then by all means go and buy one. But for those of us who enjoy the sheer thrill and passion of driving our beloved cars; let us do that as well!

Your point about cutting down road deaths is only potentially true. Sure people kill themselves all the time driving, but then again people like me would call it natural selection. There are idiots who abuse almost every single system known to man and no matter what we try to do to cut down their moronic activity they still find a way. Yes it is sad that occasionally these idiots take the lives of others but that is unfortunately how the world works sometimes. How about that poor ant or insect to unknowingly step on when you walk? Did it deserve to die just because you were walking there? No, probably not, but thats just how life is. Likewise in this situation.

Also, with automated cars; if its all electronic people can quite easily hack the system and turn their automated cars into death traps (ie. removing speed limiters, safety features etc.). Not to mention if they are all electronic they will break down about every 2 weeks and cost an absolute FORTUNE to repair as we have seen with modern cars. Modern cars have all these great electronic gizmos but they never seem to work exactly as planned and when they play up you need to pay an auto-electrician exorbitant prices to clear an error code and run diagnostics to replace a wire or faulty switch/relay etc.

Plus; whatever happens if a manufacturer has a fault in the car and these automated cars start driving themselves into buildings/off cliffs/speeding etc.? Recalls happen all the time with current vehicles (such as the Toyota accelerator incident a few years back) so who is to say that they wont happen here? And in the case of automated cars it would have far more devastating effects than with a human driven vehicle as at the end of the day; current computers can not match humans for their on-the-fly senses. ie. the guy in the Toyota doing like 120mph with a stuck accelerator who called the cops and after about 80 miles they were able to safely arrest the vehicle. If you want to tell me a computer will do that? I would tell you that you are dreaming.

The world needs to stop relying on computers to fix the morons in our society. They will always find a way! Let me drive my own car and let the morons keep killing themselves! After all; its better that an individual is responsible than a computer!
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ultimately cut down on deaths from traffic
I honestly doubt that. I don't want to doubt it but I do. The main reason is that I do not trust people with maintaining technology that does stuff like that. Sure it may work fine, but if the maintainers in that part of the world are not excellent..

I mean let's think, what kind of technology that transports actual people is fully automatic? Are those airport terminals trains in London even without a human monitoring them from a distance? Even if they don't - and I'd worry if they don't biggrin.gif - it's still something without traffic coming your way.
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I for one will never stand for automated cars. I am an enthusiast, I love driving my car, I love being a member of car ownership clubs and talking to people who are as similarly enthusiastic and passionate as me. I will never ever allow for automated cars to become compulsory. Sure, if you want an automated car then by all means go and buy one. But for those of us who enjoy the sheer thrill and passion of driving our beloved cars; let us do that as well!

Your point about cutting down road deaths is only potentially true. Sure people kill themselves all the time driving, but then again people like me would call it natural selection. There are idiots who abuse almost every single system known to man and no matter what we try to do to cut down their moronic activity they still find a way. Yes it is sad that occasionally these idiots take the lives of others but that is unfortunately how the world works sometimes. How about that poor ant or insect to unknowingly step on when you walk? Did it deserve to die just because you were walking there? No, probably not, but thats just how life is. Likewise in this situation.

Also, with automated cars; if its all electronic people can quite easily hack the system and turn their automated cars into death traps (ie. removing speed limiters, safety features etc.). Not to mention if they are all electronic they will break down about every 2 weeks and cost an absolute FORTUNE to repair as we have seen with modern cars. Modern cars have all these great electronic gizmos but they never seem to work exactly as planned and when they play up you need to pay an auto-electrician exorbitant prices to clear an error code and run diagnostics to replace a wire or faulty switch/relay etc.

Plus; whatever happens if a manufacturer has a fault in the car and these automated cars start driving themselves into buildings/off cliffs/speeding etc.? Recalls happen all the time with current vehicles (such as the Toyota accelerator incident a few years back) so who is to say that they wont happen here? And in the case of automated cars it would have far more devastating effects than with a human driven vehicle as at the end of the day; current computers can not match humans for their on-the-fly senses. ie. the guy in the Toyota doing like 120mph with a stuck accelerator who called the cops and after about 80 miles they were able to safely arrest the vehicle. If you want to tell me a computer will do that? I would tell you that you are dreaming.

The world needs to stop relying on computers to fix the morons in our society. They will always find a way! Let me drive my own car and let the morons keep killing themselves! After all; its better that an individual is responsible than a computer!

I have probably enjoyed my car more than you have. I used to Autocross and track my car quite regularly years ago, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that road deaths will for sure be cut down. Traffic accidents are one of the leading causes of deaths in America and the sooner it can be automated for the majority, the better. I never advocated for removing manual controls, so I'm not sure where you are finding that argument.

You should realize that human error above mechanical error is behind the majority of accidents. Tech has a relatively low failure rate overall. There is a reason that Airliners are automated. You're much less likely to die in a plane than in a car and those have more electronics than any little car ever will.

You speak about darwinsim like a child who has never lost a loved one to the stupid decisions of others. You're probably alive today because of compulsory immunization shots and safety provisions on food/medicine/goods. Natural selection hasn't been applicable since the advent of modern medicine and safety measures.

That's all I have to say about this.

Back on Topic...

If a person is using adblock, but didn't pay for it, why should adblock consider their opinion on this matter?
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I don't mind static Ads.
Adblocker should be used for ads that are in motion or block your view of a weebsite
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I honestly doubt that. I don't want to doubt it but I do. The main reason is that I do not trust people with maintaining technology that does stuff like that. Sure it may work fine, but if the maintainers in that part of the world are not excellent..

I mean let's think, what kind of technology that transports actual people is fully automatic? Are those airport terminals trains in London even without a human monitoring them from a distance? Even if they don't - and I'd worry if they don't biggrin.gif - it's still something without traffic coming your way.

You realize there will be a person behind the wheel just in case, much like airliners (which are fully automated after takeoff) have a pilot there just in case. Look at the videos of the google self driving cars.
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Automated driving is not a gimmick in the least. It's the future that people have been dreaming about for half a century and it will not only make driving more efficient, but ultimately cut down on deaths from traffic accidents and probably go a long way towards solving many traffic problems. The company that does it first properly will make untold billions.

The future is not only in the web, but in so many other things. Google is diversifying their portfolio, only an idiot puts all their eggs into one basket.

I for one will never stand for automated cars. I am an enthusiast, I love driving my car, I love being a member of car ownership clubs and talking to people who are as similarly enthusiastic and passionate as me. I will never ever allow for automated cars to become compulsory. Sure, if you want an automated car then by all means go and buy one. But for those of us who enjoy the sheer thrill and passion of driving our beloved cars; let us do that as well!

Your point about cutting down road deaths is only potentially true. Sure people kill themselves all the time driving, but then again people like me would call it natural selection. There are idiots who abuse almost every single system known to man and no matter what we try to do to cut down their moronic activity they still find a way. Yes it is sad that occasionally these idiots take the lives of others but that is unfortunately how the world works sometimes. How about that poor ant or insect to unknowingly step on when you walk? Did it deserve to die just because you were walking there? No, probably not, but thats just how life is. Likewise in this situation.

Also, with automated cars; if its all electronic people can quite easily hack the system and turn their automated cars into death traps (ie. removing speed limiters, safety features etc.). Not to mention if they are all electronic they will break down about every 2 weeks and cost an absolute FORTUNE to repair as we have seen with modern cars. Modern cars have all these great electronic gizmos but they never seem to work exactly as planned and when they play up you need to pay an auto-electrician exorbitant prices to clear an error code and run diagnostics to replace a wire or faulty switch/relay etc.

Plus; whatever happens if a manufacturer has a fault in the car and these automated cars start driving themselves into buildings/off cliffs/speeding etc.? Recalls happen all the time with current vehicles (such as the Toyota accelerator incident a few years back) so who is to say that they wont happen here? And in the case of automated cars it would have far more devastating effects than with a human driven vehicle as at the end of the day; current computers can not match humans for their on-the-fly senses. ie. the guy in the Toyota doing like 120mph with a stuck accelerator who called the cops and after about 80 miles they were able to safely arrest the vehicle. If you want to tell me a computer will do that? I would tell you that you are dreaming.

The world needs to stop relying on computers to fix the morons in our society. They will always find a way! Let me drive my own car and let the morons keep killing themselves! After all; its better that an individual is responsible than a computer!

In a perfect world (rofl what am I saying I should just stop there), such morons would fail an advanced driving test and be forced to drive/ride only in fully automated cars, while the savvy master race drivers that do pass an advanced driving test can enjoy their powerful manual sports cars wink.gif And then all the plebeians in their fully automated cars have the freedom to watch and cringe as you zoom by them in the fast lane thumb.gif
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I really don't quite understand how this is news and why this is surprising to anyone, at all?

Cable television has been doing it since the dawn of time...

Every major advertisor pays Ad-Block or, whoever to "miss" their websites...It's commonplace.

It's just like when porn sites paid net-nanny to not block their sites...Only, it wasn't news then...I guess some of you were too busy *cough cough*.

Not news, this is commonplace...Move along, nothing to see here.
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