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I want to buy this one and i have some questions.

After calibration, how are the colors on this one, are ok ? Or they really washed out ?

And how is the ghosting and the overshoot in desktop, when you move the mouse arrow or some windows, there is some really noticeable ghosting or overshoot ?

AMA, settings are OFF, high, premium ? With AMA set on high the ghosting and overshoot in desktop is ok ?

The monitor is 6bit or 8bit ?

I have a benq GL2460 and is having nasty ghosting and overshoot in desktop and browsing, the XL2411T has the same ghosting in desktop ?
Edited by CalinTM - 7/7/13 at 4:56am
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I want to buy this one and i have some questions.
After calibration, how are the colors on this one, are ok ? Or they really washed out ?
Most 120Hz monitors have worse colors but some models, such as the Samsung SA series have much better colors than average for a 120Hz LCD. (Though more input lag than both ASUS and BENQ). The XL2420T come close. For best color, you want to lean towards IPS, if you don't mind motion blur.
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And how is the ghosting and the overshoot in desktop, when you move the mouse arrow or some windows, there is some really noticeable ghosting or overshoot ? AMA, settings are OFF, high, premium ? With AMA set on high the ghosting and overshoot in desktop is ok ?
Most people prefer the "AMA High" setting on BENQ monitors.
However, some people prefer the LightBoost setting as that eliminates ghosting / overdrive / motion blur.
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The monitor is 6bit or 8bit ?
All 120Hz TN monitors are 6bit as far as I know, and use dithering techniques to get to 8bit.
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I have a benq GL2460 and is having nasty ghosting and overshoot in desktop and browsing, the XL2411T has the same ghosting in desktop ?
It's not bad at all when AMA is set to "High".
However, if you are very picky about artifacts and motion blur (and are OK with slightly worse colors), try out LightBoost. When I enable LightBoost, the XL2411T looks like a CRT -- for a person sensitive to motion artifacts, virtually no ghosting, no overdrive, no blur; the motion is crystal clear. Though the colors are worse than non-LightBoost.

Also, what about the brand new XL2420TE?
The XL2420T is known to have better color than the XL2411T, although the XL2411T has clearer LightBoost motion than the XL2420TE. That said, the "TE" model is ZeroFlicker in its non-LightBoost mode, and it's not known how good quality the colors and the motion is on that newer model. Time will tell...

Photos of motion artifacts / overdrive / ghosting / motion blur:
- LCD Motion Artifacts 101
- 60Hz vs 120Hz vs LightBoost
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Right now i have the benq Gl2460 and i must say after calibration and some saturation the colors look nice, for me they are great.

From what i know the XL2411T has the same OSD settings, including saturation and hue settings, so i think i can mix them and obtain some decent colors ?

And what is that LightBoost thing ? Some kind of mod ?

You say on the XL2420T the colors are better than the 11T, but i must ask, they really much better, or is a small difference ?

I don't have money for the 20T, or for the Asus VG249QE. The best thing about the VG248 is that they have custom control for the overdrive function, you can set the overdrive on that level you want and obtain a perfect balance between ghosting and overshoot.

I must ask you are sure the XL2411T in desktop with AMA on High, has a nice balance between ghosting and overshoot ? As i said my current GL2460 has nasty overshoot in desktop and gaming while i enable AMA.

Also, can you tell me about that LightBoost, why is he making colors more washed out ?

Overall i want to know the XL2411T and AMA set to high, in desktop has really noticeable overshoot and ghosting ? @144Mhz

The 144Hz vs 60Hz can make a difference between on how we see overshoot and ghosting in desktop ?
Edited by CalinTM - 7/7/13 at 10:40am
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Right now i have the benq Gl2460 and i must say after calibration and some saturation the colors look nice, for me they are great.. From what i know the XL2411T has the same OSD settings, including saturation and hue settings, so i think i can mix them and obtain some decent colors ?
Increasing to 120Hz or 144Hz can affect colors on all 120Hz or 144Hz monitors. And enabling LightBoost can affect colors even further, too. (You can turn LightBoost on/off though, based on preference).

That said, your existing GL2460 is a TN monitor and if you like the colors on it, there will likely be 120Hz monitors you will like.
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And what is that LightBoost thing ? Some kind of mod ?
LightBoost is a strobe backlight (one strobe per refresh) that eliminates motion blur.
Google is your friend.
- TFTCentral: Motion Blur Reduction Backlights Including LightBoost
- Media Articles that mention LightBoost
- LightBoost FAQ
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You say on the XL2420T the colors are better than the 11T, but i must ask, they really much better, or is a small difference ?
It's from forum reports throughout several of these forums. I have not seen the amount of color difference, just that people have mentioned that the XL2420T has better color than XL2411T. You might not even notice after a good calibration, but then again you may.
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I don't have money for the 20T, or for the Asus VG249QE. The best thing about the VG248 is that they have custom control for the overdrive function, you can set the overdrive on that level you want and obtain a perfect balance between ghosting and overshoot.
I must ask you are sure the XL2411T in desktop with AMA on High, has a nice balance between ghosting and overshoot ? As i said my current GL2460 has nasty overshoot in desktop and gaming while i enable AMA.
At 120Hz, the ghost/overdrive is half the amount for the same AMA settings.
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Also, can you tell me about that LightBoost, why is he making colors more washed out ?
It's a trade-off between motion blur elimination (and large amount of ghosting reduction) and color quality.
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Overall i want to know the XL2411T and AMA set to high, in desktop has really noticeable overshoot and ghosting ? @144Mhz
The 144Hz vs 60Hz can make a difference between on how we see overshoot and ghosting in desktop ?
For the 2ms TN's, comparing 60Hz and 144Hz -- there's about 2/5ths as much trailing (the ratio of 60Hz:144Hz is approximately 2/5). Meaning, if you had about 15 pixels of ghosting/overdrive trailing for a specific motion speed, you'll now only get 6 pixels of ghosting/overdrive trailing for a specific motion speed, because of the extra refresh rate. (I'm comparing non-LightBoost mode, of course)
Edited by mdrejhon - 7/8/13 at 11:32am
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Oh, i understand so the 144Hz + with some AMA set to high, will do nicely on ghosting and overshoot for me. I don't want perfection, just to be less.
So, the XL2411T will be nice for me, thanks !

Also, another question regarding the refresh rate.

Say, i have the 120Hz monitor now, and i want to play a game, that game produces 90fps, and in that game i enable v-sync too, so the result will be that i can play that game on 90 fps and still don't get flickering because it's already synced ?
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I have the XL2411T, how i can enable saturation, it greyed out now...
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I got the monitor, anyone knows how to enable Saturation in the OSD ? I'm using DVI connection.
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post #8 of 10
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I have the XL2411T, how i can enable saturation, it greyed out now...
Are you currently enabling LightBoost? Saturation is disabled in LightBoost mode. To fix LightBoost colors, lower nVidia Control Panel gamma to 0.85. If that is not enough, you can tweak saturation via nVidia Control Panel but at the cost of clipping colors in Lagom Contrast.
Edited by mdrejhon - 7/17/13 at 2:21pm
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No, i think it can be enabled only when using VGA cable, but that's a no go for me.

The colors are ok on gamma 5 level and standard color preset with normal color temp, or custom RGB and red to 98, green to 99, blue to 100.
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Also is normal when i use a pure black background to see on the bottom side of the monitor some kind of blue-ish line, it's not white, and if i move my eyes and body left and right that blue-ish glow thing follows me.

Could be some backlit leakage ? I tknow that stuff appears in white.
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