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lol cant win with cpu so bags gpu in cpu thread lol

Same applies to you, and i can win in the newest 3dmark because it works better with FX CPUs than 3dmark11 does.
 
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I will acknowledge that 2500ks are way better at singlethreaded tasks because of the IPC, games like starcraft 2 and skyrim lol. Though its not make or break.

The one i COULDNT FIND was a few points higher, barely 9400...Its fine if you dont believe me really and i can understand if you dont. But its fine, its not like your faster IPC can compensate for a inferior GPU in games though.

2500k is above the 8350 in just about every game, still. If it's not above the 8350 in multithreaded games, it's like right under it.

Sure, can't find it. Fine, whatever. However, we're not talking about the GPU here, so straw man nonsense is kind of pointless. Although, when I volt mod my 670 and am doing 1450MHz on the core and 7500MHz on the memory it will eat a 7950, 7970, and 7970GHz Ed for lunch. Not my fault nVidia doesn't let us have overvolting fun out of the box anymore like AMD. Either way, I still max out every single game that has came out with out any problems whatsoever. So saying "inferior" is like comparing color tones on an apple except disregarding that both still taste delicious...
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lol cant win with cpu so bags gpu in cpu thread lol

yup.
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2500k is above the 8350 in just about every game, still. If it's not above the 8350 in multithreaded games, it's like right under it.

Sure, can't find it. Fine, whatever. However, we're not talking about the GPU here, so straw man nonsense is kind of pointless. Although, when I volt mod my 670 and am doing 1450MHz on the core and 7500MHz on the memory it will eat a 7950, 7970, and 7970GHz Ed for lunch. Not my fault nVidia doesn't let us have overvolting fun out of the box anymore like AMD. Either way, I still max out every single game that has came out with out any problems whatsoever. So saying "inferior" is like comparing color tones on an apple except disregarding that both still taste delicious...
yup.

Keep in contact with me, i would really like to know if a 670 at those core clocks could beat my 7970.
 
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And yes yes i5 guys i know you are better at scoring good physics on 3dmark11. But i came awfully close with my score and we can rule out my "lost" score if you want. I want to see how you compare to me in the newest 3dmark though.

Dont get upset or aggrevated seriously, i just want people to realize that the 8350s are good aswel as the i5s.
 
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im not agrevated the 8350 is a very capable chip, honestly i just want some proper opposition/competition for intel so us aa consumers get better products smile.gif when i was building my sig a few years ago i almost went with a 1090t but days before i went to buy, sandybridge came out and blew the competition away.. still always wnted to try amd i dont buy because of brand but rather, i research alot smile.gif
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You know it's bad when you get spanked (17% slower) by a discontinued x5570 Xeon that you can buy for $135 online and you cost between $880 and $1000, and have a TDP of 220w as compared to the "obsolete" CPU that has a TDP of 95w.
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im not agrevated the 8350 is a very capable chip, honestly i just want some proper opposition/competition for intel so us aa consumers get better products smile.gif when i was building my sig a few years ago i almost went with a 1090t but days before i went to buy, sandybridge came out and blew the competition away.. still always wnted to try amd i dont buy because of brand but rather, i research alot smile.gif

dude, i did the exact same thing when i bought my 2500k.
i was like 3minutes from ordering a thuban, then started seeing all this 2500k dust being kicked around.

anyway, this 9590 is kinda disrespectful to AMD fans.
well to most tech consumers period.
instead of putting time, energy and marketing money into SR...they pull this crap.
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Firstly, for the people who are under the impression that Cinebench supports AVX, I want you all to acknowledge that Cinebench 11.5 doesn't know anything about AVX.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5058/amds-opteron-interlagos-6200/10
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We did not expect that the latest Opteron would outperform the previous one by a large margin. Cinebench is limited by SSE processing power. The ICC 11.0 compiler was the fastest compiler of its time for SSE/FP intensive software, even for the Opterons (up to 24% faster than the competing compilers), but it has no knowledge of newer architectures. And of course, the intel compiler does favor the Xeons.

Cinebench 11.5 had been compiled using old ICC 11.0 (Intel C++ Compiler version 11.0 launched in year 2008 that supported all SSE extensions, and knew nothing about AVX ), The very first compiler that supports AVX is ICC 11.1 to newer compiler versions.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_C%2B%2B_Compiler

But it doesn't change the fact that Intel was and still is very much afraid of AMD CPU's actual performance,

As you know Cinebench 11.5 is utilizing SSE instruction sets (SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3 and SSE4.1).
And All AMD Bulldozer/Piledriver CPUs fully support these instructions, but Intel has stll been using unfair CPU dispatcher for any non Intel CPUs. That means no CPU can use these instructions unless the CPU is an Intel Genuine.


However version 11.0 is not in here but it shows how Intel compiler actually works for non Intel CPUs.

http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49#121

All the software that were/are and will be compiled using these compilers force AMD CPUs to use that old SSE2 extension ONLY, that consumes very large amount of transistors switching frequency than currently available SSE4.2/AVX/FMA extensions. This is the only reason AMD is providing us a CPU that runs with much higher frequency than Intel (eg. 3.4GHz 2600k vs 4.0 GHz 8350) this way AMD tries to compensate the performance loss done by those unfair compilers.

Intel is using much superior instructions and even if AMD is now legally capable (Intel AMD x86 license / AMD Intel x86-64 license ) of using all those instruction, Intel is not letting AMD use the same instruction. << This is the only problem.

People who believe that AMD architecture is worse than Intel are actually wrong. The only main problem (Actually this is not a problem, this is AMD's wish to go more with multithreading ) with the AMD Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture is that a single thread (core) is allowed to utilized only 50% transistor area of a full 4.0 GHz Module, this limits a single thread/core in a bulldozer/piledriver module to theoretically utilize only 2.0 GHz out of 4.0 GHz. This is why current AMD CPUs have bad single thread performance. I've read somewhere this problem is going to be fixed in Steamroller CPUs. But even Steamroller comes with a flawless architecture, it might still be kicked by future Intel Compilers (Only if Intel keeps to do so).

The only thing that hurts me is Intel legally took 64 bit extensions and 128/256 bit FMA3 from AMD and is freely using them with their Haswell CPUs. Ogbviously AMD legally took AVX and other SSE instructions from Intel but AMD can't use it because of Intel's bad strategy.

One more thing, Its very unfair to compare Instructions per cycle (IPC) performance of two different CPU architectures (whether its Intel vs Intel or AMD vs AMD or Intel vs AMD) until the application utilizes same instructions from both competent CPUs.
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So much external appearance of logic when all real benchmarks show Intel obliterating AMD.

Is 7zip also in Intel's pockets? If yes, research its open source code for it biggrin.gif

I don't blame AMD. I WISH they were better, but they are slowed by TSMC.
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So much external appearance of logic when all real benchmarks show Intel obliterating AMD.

Is 7zip also in Intel's pockets? If yes, research its open source code for it biggrin.gif

I don't blame AMD. I WISH they were better, but they are slowed by TSMC.

When did I say that All software including 7zip use Intel Compiler ? Its just the application that is compiled by Intel compiler rolleyes.gif
And youre right 7zip is not an Intel thing, that is why my FX 8350 performs almost same as 32nm i7 per clock. (if memory clock is running at same speed for both CPU).
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