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Hey all,

Well after months of purchasing one part at a time, everything is all here:

Intel Core i7 4770K
Asus Maximus VI Extreme
Enermax MaxRevo 1500Watt
XSPC RX360KIT D5 Version Pump
Liquid Ultra

Last couple of days I've been putting it all together, first I removed the old hardware, Intel Core i7 2600K, Asus Maxims IV Extreme and Corsair H70. Cleaned out the case and setup the H2O kit inside the chassis, got everything the way I wanted it, Resevoir to Rad To Block To Resevoir. Did a leak test for 24 hours, topped up as needed. Then I proceeded to install the rest of the components.

I have delided my 4770K, in doing so I may have screwed up the IHS, I was going to mount the Block directly to the CPU DIE but did not. When I did the delid I used some black electrical tap as I was worried that it may dent the IHS when I used the VICE method, it still dented the IHS on the edges a bit. I was a little worried about this but used it anyway. Cleaned off the DIE with some Arctic Cleaning Solution, cleaned the bottom and top of the IHS, tried to remove as much of the epoxy as possible off the IHS. I did not remove any of the epoxy off the PCB on the actuall chip after suggestions from some on the Rage3D forums. I then proceeded to use some Liquid Ultra on the DIE, nice stuff, easy to apply, watched the video and followed the instructions on Cool Laboratory's site, I then proceeded to use the Liquid Ultra on the top of the IHS so basically Liquid Ultra between the DIE and the IHS and Liquid Ultra between the IHS and XSPC Water Block. Mounted everything, tightened as need so everything is secure. Here are the entire System Specs:

Intel Core i7 4770K ( Delided )
Asus Maximus VI Extreme
GSKIL Trident DDR3-2400MHz PC3-19200 16GB CL 10-12-12-31 1T 1.65v
SLI EVGA 680 GTX Classified 4GB
Creative Labs SoundBlaster Z
OCZ Vector 512GB SSD RAID 0 ( 2x256GB )
Silverstone Temjin TJ11
Enermax MaxRevo 1500Watt PSU
Logitech G700
Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 Edition
Sennheise PC350 Headset
Logitech Z5500 Speakers
Dell UltraSharp U3011 30" LCD 2560x1600
Windows 8 Professional

Set everything up, Secure Erased the SSD's and re-installed Windows, used all the latest drivers etc etc. Installed some testing software. Now I am not going for Prime stable, I am going for gaming stable. After I got everything setup using stock settings, no OCing yet I did a test using Heaven and Valley Benchmarks. Set everything to max and let it run for a few hours and watched temps:

IDLE Temp - 28c to 30c
LOAD Temp - 47c - 50c

I thought dam that's not looking to good, I've seen people with 4.6GHz OC's on the 4770K's at lower LOAD temps. So I proceeded to begin my overclocking adventure. now my old 2600K ran at 5.2GHz 1.4v for 2 years and 4 months, was a great little setup but I needed to change. I am hoping to hit 4.8GHz, maybe 5GHz gaming stable. So following the Asus instructions on the ROG forum I set my multi to 4.6GHz and the CPU voltage to 1.25v and restarted, booted into Windows no problem, was able to use the system without crashing, again ran heave and valley:

IDLE Temp - 35c to 38c
LOAD Temp - 55c to 60c

Again I came to the conclusion that for my setup, this is a little high as others are getting way better cooling on their delided 4770K's. Before on my 2600K I would never go above 55c gaming stable. I am aware that with the new features, ala the IGP and other options that this would run hotter. So I decided to venture a bit further, set the multi to 48 and reset, system booted and went into windows, was unstable and I had to re-adjust the voltage. Set it to 1.275v and restarted, got into Windows, was able to take some screenshots etc, browse the web, make a few posts on the Rage3D forum and go from there. Ran Heaven and the system crashed after about 10 minutes. So I raised the voltage again to 1.3v This is where I see most people at for a 4.8GHz OC on the 4770K. Ran Heaven and Valley and some World Of Warcraft:

IDLE Temp - 40c to 45c
LOAD Temp - 65c to 70c

I am coming to the conclusion that this is not good. I looked over the system and I do have some concerns, first I thought maybe due to the denting on the IHS that I was not making proper contact with the CPU, nope makes great contact, ruled that out. Thought maybe I had the pump set too low, nope its been on max the entire time ( 5000RPM ). Now I do have an issue with the power supply cables and that they are very very very very very stiff and I am going to purchase some Bitfenix extension cables for it today, my cables are mostly infront of the radiator which I have situated at the bottom of the chassis ( I will provide pictures ). I just have no other option until I get the Bitfenix cables which I hope I will go and do today.

I did try IBT just to see what I would reach, I set it to standard with a run of 5 but instantly I hit 100c. I thought for sure I'd hit 90c but 100c scared me. So I shut it down immidaitely.

No again I do know from the nature of Haswell that it will run hotter then my old Sandy, but I just need someone to tell me "nope Hap, that's normal and you are looking good"

One thing I have noticed that all my cores though are within 1c of eachother, higher or lower. I never had that with my SB, sometimes the cores were 10c above one another so I know the delid worked in that respect.


Edited by Hapatingjaky - 7/7/13 at 12:44pm
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Hey all,

Well after months of purchasing one part at a time, everything is all here:

Intel Core i7 4770K
Asus Maximus VI Extreme
Enermax MaxRevo 1500Watt
XSPC RX360KIT D5 Version Pump
Liquid Ultra

Last couple of days I've been putting it all together, first I removed the old hardware, Intel Core i7 2600K, Asus Maxims IV Extreme and Corsair H70. Cleaned out the case and setup the H2O kit inside the chassis, got everything the way I wanted it, Resevoir to Rad To Block To Resevoir. Did a leak test for 24 hours, topped up as needed. Then I proceeded to install the rest of the components.

I have delided my 4770K, in doing so I may have screwed up the IHS, I was going to mount the Block directly to the CPU DIE but did not. When I did the delid I used some black electrical tap as I was worried that it may dent the IHS when I used the VICE method, it still dented the IHS on the edges a bit. I was a little worried about this but used it anyway. Cleaned off the DIE with some Arctic Cleaning Solution, cleaned the bottom and top of the IHS, tried to remove as much of the epoxy as possible off the IHS. I did not remove any of the epoxy off the PCB on the actuall chip after suggestions from some on the Rage3D forums. I then proceeded to use some Liquid Ultra on the DIE, nice stuff, easy to apply, watched the video and followed the instructions on Cool Laboratory's site, I then proceeded to use the Liquid Ultra on the top of the IHS so basically Liquid Ultra between the DIE and the IHS and Liquid Ultra between the IHS and XSPC Water Block. Mounted everything, tightened as need so everything is secure. Here are the entire System Specs:

Intel Core i7 4770K ( Delided )
Asus Maximus VI Extreme
GSKIL Trident DDR3-2400MHz PC3-19200 16GB CL 10-12-12-31 1T 1.65v
SLI EVGA 680 GTX Classified 4GB
Creative Labs SoundBlaster Z
OCZ Vector 512GB SSD RAID 0 ( 2x256GB )
Silverstone Temjin TJ11
Enermax MaxRevo 1500Watt PSU
Logitech G700
Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 Edition
Sennheise PC350 Headset
Logitech Z5500 Speakers
Dell UltraSharp U3011 30" LCD 2560x1600
Windows 8 Professional

Set everything up, Secure Erased the SSD's and re-installed Windows, used all the latest drivers etc etc. Installed some testing software. Now I am not going for Prime stable, I am going for gaming stable. After I got everything setup using stock settings, no OCing yet I did a test using Heaven and Valley Benchmarks. Set everything to max and let it run for a few hours and watched temps:

IDLE Temp - 28c to 30c
LOAD Temp - 47c - 50c

I thought dam that's not looking to good, I've seen people with 4.6GHz OC's on the 4770K's at lower LOAD temps. So I proceeded to begin my overclocking adventure. now my old 2600K ran at 5.2GHz 1.4v for 2 years and 4 months, was a great little setup but I needed to change. I am hoping to hit 4.8GHz, maybe 5GHz gaming stable. So following the Asus instructions on the ROG forum I set my multi to 4.6GHz and the CPU voltage to 1.25v and restarted, booted into Windows no problem, was able to use the system without crashing, again ran heave and valley:

IDLE Temp - 35c to 38c
LOAD Temp - 55c to 60c

Again I came to the conclusion that for my setup, this is a little high as others are getting way better cooling on their delided 4770K's. Before on my 2600K I would never go above 55c gaming stable. I am aware that with the new features, ala the IGP and other options that this would run hotter. So I decided to venture a bit further, set the multi to 48 and reset, system booted and went into windows, was unstable and I had to re-adjust the voltage. Set it to 1.275v and restarted, got into Windows, was able to take some screenshots etc, browse the web, make a few posts on the Rage3D forum and go from there. Ran Heaven and the system crashed after about 10 minutes. So I raised the voltage again to 1.3v This is where I see most people at for a 4.8GHz OC on the 4770K. Ran Heaven and Valley and some World Of Warcraft:

IDLE Temp - 40c to 45c
LOAD Temp - 65c to 70c

I am coming to the conclusion that this is not good. I looked over the system and I do have some concerns, first I thought maybe due to the denting on the IHS that I was not making proper contact with the CPU, nope makes great contact, ruled that out. Thought maybe I had the pump set too low, nope its been on max the entire time ( 5000RPM ). Now I do have an issue with the power supply cables and that they are very very very very very stiff and I am going to purchase some Bitfenix extension cables for it today, my cables are mostly infront of the radiator which I have situated at the bottom of the chassis ( I will provide pictures ). I just have no other option until I get the Bitfenix cables which I hope I will go and do today.

I did try IBT just to see what I would reach, I set it to standard with a run of 5 but instantly I hit 100c. I thought for sure I'd hit 90c but 100c scared me. So I shut it down immidaitely.

No again I do know from the nature of Haswell that it will run hotter then my old Sandy, but I just need someone to tell me "nope Hap, that's normal and you are looking good"

One thing I have noticed that all my cores though are within 1c of eachother, higher or lower. I never had that with my SB, sometimes the cores were 10c above one another so I know the delid worked in that respect.


Hi there!
Welcome to OCN! A little off topic part here first; You don't have to type up your rig specs in you signature! You can add your rig into the your signature by completing the 'Build a rig' function.

Now down to business! lol

All chips are different
I do not have a Haswell chip, but I do have a i7-3820 with a H70 on it and with my low overclock, 3.6 to 4.5@1.3v I am reaching around 75C Prime95, 85C IBT AVX, and 65C while gaming. I would not be worried about those temperatures at that high of an overclock. 4.8Ghz might not be a record breaker but it is still a very high overclock for 24/7 use. But if you did reach 100C with an IBT Standard test, then bumping down your voltage/OC would definitely be a good idea.
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I figured out what it was, during my delid it caused issues with the IHS, I have two options I can lap the IHS and go from there or which I am looking into as I work above a metal fab, have a custom IHS made out of pure copper or silver.

I have an extra 4770K processor that I am currently on that I will use, its for my brothers build that I am doing for him and his fiancé for their wedding. Currently at 4.8GHz, idle temp 24c, load temp 70c at 1.25v. Only using MX4 and its not delided. I have liquid Ultra and Indigo Extreme saved for when I get the new IHS.
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