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That's really one of the most absurd things that console gamers say. But that's fine, the only person missing out is you.
Voice acting is amazing, that's it. Storytelling is good, not great. Gameplay is terrible in Uncharted and still too easy and dumbed down in The Last of Us. But to each his own, not everyone wants more complex and involving gameplay, or higher levels of storytelling.
So not only do you misunderstand games you dislike (Fallout), but you misunderstand games that you like too (Bioshock). Bioshock is not an RPG/FPS hybrid, there are no real RPG elements. And Bioshock is difficult? Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm nearly convinced that you live in a different dimension that's completely backwards. You might want to consider making a thread about it in the off-topic section, it must be fascinating!
Once again, you completely missed the point of the game. The main quest is not the emphasis. The NPCs are not the emphasis, the dialogue is not the emphasis. Many people play these games without ever finishing the main quest. I didn't finish it until I was about 70 hours in. Know what you're buying next time.

But even then, there's nothing repetitive about the quests (though maybe they are "repatitive" like you said, I'm not sure what that means). There's no backtracking, they don't make you revisit areas while Bioshock has lots of it. Yet Fallout is repetitive, and Bioshock isn't. Strong case of denial there. rolleyes.gif

Asking for linearity just proves that Fallout is not the game for you, so you have no business playing it. Though it's amusing that people require linearity, most don't even outright admit it. You need to have your hand held throughout a game?

So you assume that all linear games or somewhat linear games require hand holding? Try playing Boulders Gate and than get back to me on that (one of the hardest RPG's or games in general that I have ever played).

Also, Bioshock was a FPS/RPG. There was a leveling element in which you upgraded spells, skills, etc from gained points so you could build your character however you wanted to not to mention there was morality choices to be made as well in the game.

Your opinion of those PS3 games that I listed is obviously heavily biased and anti console based and most PC/Console gamers would agree that the games that I listed are amazing in every way (especially Heavy rain & The Last Of Us).

Also, I like open ended games as long as they have a good storyline....Fallout's storyline sucked in my opinion as did STALKER's.
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So you assume that all linear games or somewhat linear games require hand holding? Try playing Boulders Gate and than get back to me on that (one of the hardest RPG's or games in general that I have ever played).

lachen.gif You insult those PC classics!

Most of them hold your hand in the sense that they tell you where to go. It's amusing that people demand this in every game, since it shows they don't want any variety, and I just find it amusing (and sad) that people get confused and totally stumped once they're presented with the option free roam and deciding where to go next.
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Also, Bioshock was a FPS/RPG. There was a leveling element in which you upgraded spells, skills, etc from gained points so you could build your character however you wanted to not to mention there was morality choices to be made as well in the game.

A shooter with decisions (and most of those decisions are repetitive, e.g., save this little sister or not) doesn't make it an RPG. Having a few "spells" doesn't make it an RPG, that's like saying a game with a lot of guns is an RPG since you can use different kinds of guns.
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Your opinion of those PS3 games that I listed is obviously heavily biased and anti console based and most PC/Console gamers would agree that the games that I listed are amazing in every way (especially Heavy rain & The Last Of Us).

It's not heavily biased, it's called disagreeing and having a different opinion. A few of my favorite games are console exclusive. Those are just bad examples, I don't care how many agree with that statement. I can go on about the flaws and shortcomings of those games, but I won't since I've done so already several times.
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Also, I like open ended games as long as they have a good storyline....Fallout's storyline sucked in my opinion as did STALKER's.

The only S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game with a good, complex story is the first one, but judging by the way you seem to play games, chances are you inadvertently missed out on the entire story of that game, since it doesn't hold your hand or present it to you in scripted cutscenes. It's also funny you say that, since you once told me how that was one of few PC games with a good story and good gameplay. thinking.gif

And for the 9001th time, Fallout isn't a story driven game. That was never the emphasis, so of course it won't be great. It's like complaining about the awful shooter mechanics in Uncharted, but I don't see you doing that. Though I agree that it would be nice if Fallout did have a great story. So far, nothing offers a great open world and a great story. Only one game tried, and didn't really succeed.
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its kinda funny that crysis 1 ( released in 2007 ) STILL looks better then some next gine tittles. smile.gif
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its kinda funny that crysis 1 ( released in 2007 ) STILL looks better then some next gine tittles. smile.gif

That's why those titles shouldn't be called next gen. The only ones I would call next gen at the moment are Crysis 3 and Metro: Last Light.
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i don't think linear vs non-linear says much about a games difficulty. non-linear might require more critical thinking, but most retro games are linear-and still way more challenging than the average game today. it all comes down to mechanics. the contemporary emphasis on realism decreases challenge a lot of the time. a lot of old school games are challenging precisely because they are arcadey, limited by technology (we'd say today) and so everything comes down to mechanics.

it's kind of like bf vs cs today. bf might be more realistic, but cs is more challenging precisely because it is less realistic (and you can do certain things faster than you ever could in real life)
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Certain posters here are extremely condescending. Yikes.

Anyway, most fun I've had in PC gaming in a very long time is in my sig. Dwarf Fortress. Its a free game made by two guys about building a fortress with a starting team of 7 dwarves. It has really old school (ASCII) graphics and uses almost every button on the keyboard. It has an extremely steep learning curve that just never seems to end. You could easily spend 40+ hours on a tutorial and still not really cover every aspect of the game. There is no way to win, you just play until you either die or get bored. Then start a new fortress somewhere harder or with different industries available.

It takes a certain type of person to enjoy it, for sure. This is not your average video game experience. Check out some tutorials on the forum and grab the quick-start pack here. It lets you install some very simple graphic packs if the ASCII is too tough to see.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0
    
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i don't think linear vs non-linear says much about a games difficulty. non-linear might require more critical thinking, but most retro games are linear-and still way more challenging than the average game today. it all comes down to mechanics. the contemporary emphasis on realism decreases challenge a lot of the time. a lot of old school games are challenging precisely because they are arcadey, limited by technology (we'd say today) and so everything comes down to mechanics.

it's kind of like bf vs cs today. bf might be more realistic, but cs is more challenging precisely because it is less realistic (and you can do certain things faster than you ever could in real life)

Realism isn't what separates BF from CS. BF isn't really any more realistic than CS, it's just set up for casual gameplay while CS is set up for competitive gameplay.
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I realize this is an old thread, but this is the thread I found when searching for this topic. "Where have all the good PC games gone?". It's true, there seems to be a much smaller choice of games for PCs. I have read through some of these comments on here and the original author mentioned how much it has changed since 2005. I'm going to go a step further and say the games available on the PC today are a far cry from what they were in the 90s.

I'm looking for a great RTS game for the PC. The games that seem to come up are games that I played 15 years ago. Have there been no new games in this genre? Empire Earth is a great game. I loved playing the original Command and Conquer, Warcraft 2 and 3. Age of Mythology and Rise of Nations were decent.

Lords of the Realm was a great turn-based strategy game. I'm not even sure anyone here remembers turn-based PC games. City of Heroes was a fun game to play online with everyone. What about Flight Simulators which were always a big draw for many PC gamers, do they even bother to make those anymore?

FPS are fun, but I've had my fill of them. They are all the same with the exception of storyline and graphics. Going back to Doom I and II, Wolfenstein 3D, and probably the largest leap forward I recall was when Counterstrike was released. That kept my attention for a while. It seems nearly all the games that are released now are either first or third person shooters.

Any suggestions for PC games from my fellow gamers? I just spent some money and built a gaming rig that I'm anxious to use, but so far my search for games has been disappointing.
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I realize this is an old thread, but this is the thread I found when searching for this topic. "Where have all the good PC games gone?". It's true, there seems to be a much smaller choice of games for PCs.

I suppose the key word here is "seems" because the selection of games is far bigger than ever. Not better in quality, but bigger. I've learned a lot since this thread was last active. I'm only in my early twenties, and I've now played most of the beloved classics that I missed out on while keeping in touch with modern games, and I do find that in most genres the classics are usually greater in the ways that matter most (even in the use of technology to improve gameplay, you'd think that largely improved over time but no).
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I'm looking for a great RTS game for the PC. The games that seem to come up are games that I played 15 years ago. Have there been no new games in this genre? Empire Earth is a great game. I loved playing the original Command and Conquer, Warcraft 2 and 3. Age of Mythology and Rise of Nations were decent.

Lords of the Realm was a great turn-based strategy game. I'm not even sure anyone here remembers turn-based PC games. City of Heroes was a fun game to play online with everyone. What about Flight Simulators which were always a big draw for many PC gamers, do they even bother to make those anymore?

This is quite true. There aren't many new RTS franchises, although the classics are still around and usually have sequels. Some have died though. Flight Simulators are basically gone to my knowledge.
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FPS are fun, but I've had my fill of them. They are all the same with the exception of storyline and graphics. Going back to Doom I and II, Wolfenstein 3D, and probably the largest leap forward I recall was when Counterstrike was released. That kept my attention for a while. It seems nearly all the games that are released now are either first or third person shooters.

Any suggestions for PC games from my fellow gamers? I just spent some money and built a gaming rig that I'm anxious to use, but so far my search for games has been disappointing.

They're not all the same, I think you've been away from FPS too long. If you want to see some FPS games with unique gameplay mechanics, see the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. franchise especially Call of Chernobyl, F.E.A.R., Underhell, Arma 3, Deus Ex, Natural Selection 2, the first three Rainbow Six games, SWAT 4. Counter-Strike was initially a mod for Half-Life, which was one of the biggest leaps forward for shooters in the 1990s (every chapter is completely unique, something HL2 does too).

But you seem to be most interested in strategy games? There probably isn't anything you haven't heard of there. I only play two franchises, Total War (Turn-Based Strategy + Real Time Tactics) and XCOM (Turn-Based Tactics + light RTS elements), and these franchises are not new. Civilization is still popular, Warhammer 40k Dawn of War is still popular (although Dawn of War III is generally seen as only a reduction compared to its predecessors, so perhaps another example of modern successors just being dumbed down and lesser?).

The thing about classics like Warcraft 3 and Medieval II: Total War are that they are essentially endlessly moddable. Maybe there are some interesting total conversion mods for those that you haven't played?

If you are just interested in any modern masterpiece that has no equal, then my top recommendations are SOMA and The Talos Principle.
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Thanks for your reply boredgunner. I just quickly checked out SOMA and The Talos Principle, they look very promising! I enjoyed playing all of the Myst games back in the day and that was the first thing that came to mind when looking at The Talos Principle. SOMA looks eerily fun, and I'll be buying both of those games tonight.

You listed out quite a few other games in there that I'll work my way through, but maybe there are still some worthwhile games on the PC to play! Thanks again.
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