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I've attempted to do extensive research and have found barely any resources on green switches so I was wondering if you guys had any opinions. From what I've read, the green are the same as the blue but need a larger force to press down. Which do you think is better for typing etc?
  • Location: USA
  • Any keyboards you currently have in mind: CM Storm Quickfire Stealth
  • Price: $100 or less
  • Backlighting (yes (colour?)/ no ): Good if it has it, not necessary at all
  • Size (60%, TKL, full size etc): TKL
  • Use (games/ programming/ typing etc): Mainly (95%+) programming/typing. A little bit of MMO/RTS/ARPG on the side.
  • USB/ PS2: USB
  • KRO: 6
  • Macro keys (yes/ no): No
  • Media keys (yes/ no): Nice but not necessary
  • Layout (US/ ANSI, etc): Typical US tenkeyless
  • Switch type (if not known complete the questions below): looking at blue/green
  • *Noise level (high/low): Planning on installing O-rings
  • *Tactility (yes/ no): not sure
  • *Stiffness (high/ low): not sure
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personal preference, Have you used a cherry black of buckling spring board? If so imagine pressing two of them at once, and having a bigger tactile bump than the blues.
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Unfortunately this will be the first mechanical keyboard I have owned and I haven't used any of those switches. Ordering a key sampler from WASD keyboards is also not possible since they don't carry the green switch. I found this post on the forum about greens though; from the limited reviews I've seen, people who aren't touch typists seem to like the green while pure touch typists (I would be in that category) seem to stray away from them.
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Originally Posted by Heliosphere View Post

I guess I might as well give my opinion on the Ducky green switch keyboard I bought back in December.

Coming from a guy who was happy typing on MX Browns and Reds, the Greens took me a lot of getting used to. In fact, the force difference is so great that I made typos often, especially with my weak pinky fingers. After a couple weeks or so of regular use, you get used to the force of the keys. Another thing to note is, as a touch typist, I can't type on this keyboard as fast as I could on Reds or Browns. I do make less typos than with Reds.

I have a feeling that PBT keys combined with green switches actually produce a slightly quieter sound, in which the high pitched click is not as sharp as one would normally expect from ABS on blue switches. It is a pretty pleasant sound in my ears, although I'm sure it would still annoy anyone else in the room just like blues.

Gaming on greens is no problem. I would say that it might be better than gaming with blues, since the stiffer springs may pop the key back into position slightly quicker than possible with blues. However, this is purely opinion and is not based on any scientific evidence rolleyes.gif.

Overall, I think green switches are nice, but are not my favorite switch. I had a lot more fun typing on my CM Storm Rapid with red switches. I'm happy to own a keyboard with green switches simply because of the novelty and rarity of green switch keyboards (although it may get popular in the future, who knows!). That said though, I've been using my Ducky with green switches since I got it, and even pimped out some of the keycaps with translucent polycarbonate over the lit keys.
post #4 of 8
I'm in the same boat, I recently picked up a Quickfire rapid with blues, and am thinking of ordering another keyboard to use at work. I really wanted to order one of the QFR with greens, but on things I am unsure of I try to buy local for the ease of returning them.

After using my blues a bit, I really do like them, I don't understand why people say blues are bad for gaming, I've not had any troubles with them. ( though I can see why reds/browns would be preferable, they are not bad at all though )

Though, I have actually had the opposite effect of the autor, the blue being my first mech that i've owned ( i have tried others ) the springs were so light I often found myself making more typo's by accidently pressing the keys before I needed to when typing really fast. But over time I grew acustom to the light springs ( though the blues are heavier than the reds and browns )

One thing i've noticed is the QFR's with greens usually run about $20 more than the blue versions, and with some thrifty shopping, I have a my QFR with custom keycaps for the same price as some QFR greens are listed for.
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Though, I have actually had the opposite effect of the autor, the blue being my first mech that i've owned ( i have tried others ) the springs were so light I often found myself making more typo's by accidently pressing the keys before I needed to when typing really fast. But over time I grew acustom to the light springs ( though the blues are heavier than the reds and browns )

One thing i've noticed is the QFR's with greens usually run about $20 more than the blue versions, and with some thrifty shopping, I have a my QFR with custom keycaps for the same price as some QFR greens are listed for.

Pretty sure this is a lame question, but is there a comparable measurement of force needed to press the key as to a dome/switch keyboard? The only keyboards I've ever used are the super old dell keyboard, wireless/wired apple keyboards (this and this), MacbookPro keyboard, Alienware laptop keyboard, Logitech G15, and Logitech G110 keyboard (which is similar to the G15).

It seems that the greens are out of stock on the stealth (both CM website and Amazon) and I didn't see the greens on any site for the Rapid although I may have overlooked some site. Perhaps the decision is already made for us?
post #6 of 8
Domes don't really have any standard. they vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer, and even model to model. They also wear out fairly quickly under use. Overall this makes a a universal measurement of force for them rather irrelevant.

What you CAN do is just measure your current keyboard. People usually use US nickels, as they are easy to stack, have a fairly standard and easy to convert weight, are easily available, and are small enough to fit on a keycap.
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personal preference, Have you used a cherry black of buckling spring board? If so imagine pressing two of them at once, and having a bigger tactile bump than the blues.
It's a lot different than the feeling of a buckling spring, though. buckling springs tend to actuate toward the bottom of their travel, while cherry actuates in the top third of its' travel.

The actual preference of typists really depends on their style. For example, I can barely feel blue switches when I type on them, so I probably would like cherry MX Green of MX blue, although I prefer buckling spring to cherry MX, for its low actuation point. Some people even prefer cherry MX red, since it's a nice soft linear actuation, which would work well, if you always bottom out the keys anyway.

I'd recommend getting the sample kit. MX blue will feel like MX green, but a lot softer. See if you like the way that the keyswitch feels when you press it down like you would when you are typing. If you don't think you can feel the bump at all, then green may be better for you.

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Domes don't really have any standard. they vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer, and even model to model. They also wear out fairly quickly under use.
I had three keyboards die on my Thinkpad T61. Those things were not meant to handle heavy typing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

It's a lot different than the feeling of a buckling spring, though. buckling springs tend to actuate toward the bottom of their travel, while cherry actuates in the top third of its' travel.

The actual preference of typists really depends on their style. For example, I can barely feel blue switches when I type on them, so I probably would like cherry MX Green of MX blue, although I prefer buckling spring to cherry MX, for its low actuation point. Some people even prefer cherry MX red, since it's a nice soft linear actuation, which would work well, if you always bottom out the keys anyway.

I'd recommend getting the sample kit. MX blue will feel like MX green, but a lot softer. See if you like the way that the keyswitch feels when you press it down like you would when you are typing. If you don't think you can feel the bump at all, then green may be better for you.
I had three keyboards die on my Thinkpad T61. Those things were not meant to handle heavy typing.

My point about buckling springs was regarding their weight, not actuation points or tactility. The tactility as I mentioned is like a slightly more pronounced blue.

I do agree that he should get the sampler kit. It might not include a green switch, but it does include both blue and black, and pressing both at the same time will give a good indication if he likes blues or greens more (or if he prefers linear switches instead, for that matter).

Put both the blue and black next to each other, lay a toothpick or two across the top bridging both of them, and press on it so that both are actuated at the same time. Obviously its going to be a bit off center, and the tactility are both lower than a true green switch but it will give you an idea. If you find yourself saying "yeah, something with even more weight and a bigger bump would feel even better" then get the green board. If you feel it is already a bit too much, then you will hate greens.
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