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In terms of having of 7970 Ghz vs. Say a K4000. Is there any reason not to go for the 7970 Ghz for half the price? Would be using it for ArchiCAD and it's 3D rendering module.

Don't buy a AMD Radeon card for AutoCAD / ArchiCAD. That's the worst idea ever.

Buy a Geforce GTX 670,760,680,770.

http://www.archicadwiki.com/VideoCardsForArchiCAD16
^ Geforce GTX confirmed to work

& Octane renderer (CUDA) in Archicad is usable on Geforce cards

Of course you need to factor in how much graphics corruption would hurt you
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post #22 of 27
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In terms of having of 7970 Ghz vs. Say a K4000. Is there any reason not to go for the 7970 Ghz for half the price? Would be using it for ArchiCAD and it's 3D rendering module.

7970GE should be more than enough. The thing is, Quadros and FirePro cards will cope better with the increased polygon counts in scenes (improves Image Quality) or better memory management. I'm pretty sure a 7970 should get the job done though.
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7970GE should be more than enough. The thing is, Quadros and FirePro cards will cope better with the increased polygon counts in scenes (improves Image Quality) or better memory management. I'm pretty sure a 7970 should get the job done though.

3d renderer for Archicad is Octane = CUDA

= no Radeon

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So go for a K4000 over a 680-770?
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having used a quadro 4000 in the past for 3d work, I loved that thing so much. I put gaming ahead though and sold it mad.gif lol fail at least I made a profit on the card.

Anyway, I'd love to get a K4000 but I'm unsure of engine performance with them.

My next upgrade will be to a 6 core / 8 core with 64gb of ram. Hopefully I stay in the game with what 2011 cpu's or whatever the extreme line will be called. speaking of that can anyone link me to info about the next extreme cpu's? ie i7 4930k? I know their release will be in Q3 2013, but will they be on the "2011" socket size?
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As stated in the conclusion. The reason pro cards are more expensive and may perform less then their consumer gpus is for the correct bytes of data. Anything relying on precise data needs that exactness of output.

Not exactly. Most Quadro or FirePro cards lack ECC Ram and are thus 99% identical to their gaming siblings as far as hardware goes.
There is no crazy variation that makes the "professional" workstation card compute something more precisely or faster on hardware level.

The differences are in BIOS / Drivers. Workstation cards get "optimized" for accelerating viewports in 3D graphic applications through their drivers, which much like gaming drivers, provide the hardware with "shortcuts" in computing very complex scenes. While games usually feature a few million polygons, medium sized textures and require relatively high FPS, demanding 3D professionals are dealing with scenes that contain tenths or even hundreds of millions of polygons, multiple very high resolution textures, but in general are satisfied with sustaining 15-25 FPS.

In such scenarios, the by comparison "overpowered" GTX/Radeon cards don't have the drivers to help them "cheat" through the process taking shortcuts, but in contrary try to brute-force through the calculations, getting "chocked" by the enormous poly counts / high tessellation of objects. Thus GTX Kepler monsters with 6-7 SMX units might be spectacularly slower than vanilla Quadros with 2-3 SMX units, basically hardware that is identical to mid-range GT cards.

Again, it is not about "high precision" in 3D Apps like Maya or 3DS. You are just after "workable" conditions, just like you are after fast response / playable conditions in games.

In compute scenarios like 3D rendering, each pixel is ray-traced hundreds of times. Thus a few mistakes here and there are averaged out and disappear in the interpolation of neighboring pixels.
Gaming cards work great as 3D rendering GPGPU solutions, as drivers are nearly irrelevant for a properly coded CUDA or OpenCL GPGPU application that almost "talks" to the GPU directly.
Improper OpenCL implementations, like that of VRay RT GPU @ OpenCL mode struggle with AMD cards, despite the vastly superior compute performance GCN cards have, simply because are not OpenCL optimized.

More over, I read half truths about CUDA and OpenCL alike being soooooo prevailing and needed, or rendering modules for programs being some niche 3rd party GPU rendererers like Octane etc, which is simply not true. Certain portions of certain programs are GPGPU capable, and GPU renderers especially are far from mainstream, lacking many of the features fully blown VRay / Mental Ray etc renderers offer. Most CG artists don't have the resources to write their on GPU accelerated raytracers as the CG teams in movies like Avatar do.
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Don't want to quote on my phone but thank you for the above information.
     
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