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I would feel a lot safer adding an ssd rather than a graphics chip. Do you think. A raid 0 with a 320gb 5400 rpm drive would increase or decrease performance?

I would stay away from a 5400 rpm hdd, but that is just my preference.

I am a SSD and WD Black kind of guy..

My new laptop has the 750gb with 8gb hybrid ssd 7200 rpm hdd.
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post #12 of 15
Take a look at the ASUS G750. I bought one at my local Microcenter for $1500 a couple of weeks ago, and I've been very satisfied with it so far. It's almost the same specs as the MSI GT70 on display at the same store, but I noticed a few key differences:

1. I preferred the ASUS keyboard layout, especially the separated full-size cursor keys. When I do game, I mouse with the left hand and use arrow keys right the right hand. For me, the keyboard was a big selling point on the ASUS.

2. The styling of the ASUS is a bit more "stealthy" and subdued looking. The MSI has no less than 8 different surface textures and colors on the keyboard plane alone. If garish styling doesn't bother you, the MSI GT70 is a strong choice. I consider MSI and ASUS equal parity when it comes to build quality and features.

3. The ASUS has 802.11ac Broadcom WiFi + Atheros 10/100/1000 Ethernet. I'm not sure the MSI has 802.11ac, something in my mind tells me it's just b/g/n. I have a AC wireless router already, so AC WiFi was a bonus.

4. I prefer the display panel on the ASUS. 1920x1080 with a nice matte finish. No dead pixels, and a no bright pixel guarantee out of the box.

My G750 came with a 750GB 7200RPM HDD. I added a Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, and reinstalled Windows 8 Pro and my applications on the SSD. I reformatted the 750GB HDD as a data drive. Boot time from the logo to Windows 8 desktop is about 2.5 seconds. Performance with just the HDD was acceptable, but I'm a speed freak when it comes to boot up/shut down times.

When it comes to 5400 RPM 2.5" hard drives, just say NO. Even in RAID 0 the performance sucks for random I/O. If you must run 5400 RPM drives (say for a 1TB HDD) then at least get a small SSD and configure the system for SSD caching (such as Intel RST).

Some people poo poo the Asus G75/G750 line because they use proprietary ASUS MxM video cards. I don't worry too much about it, as I consider laptops a hand-me down device and I'll buy a newer faster one when the time comes. LOL.

Greg
Edited by hammong - 7/9/13 at 4:20pm
post #13 of 15
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I think I've decided on the sager, due to user upgradeable parts. Its just a matter of what to choose.

EDIT: Well, I think I've made the decision and would like opinions. I think it make sense to get the sager, and upgrade the gpu to 8970m, then later when I can have a bit more to put towards it, I can put in an ssd and the like. By then, I assume Windows 8.1 will be out and I can just clean install and all will be well. What opinions do you have on not starting with an ssd? Would the 770m be able to overclock to levels near the 8970?

EDIT 2: Is the 95% color gamut worth the $50 over getting the IC thermal compound upgrade?
Edited by darknessrise - 7/9/13 at 6:20pm
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I think I've decided on the sager, due to user upgradeable parts. Its just a matter of what to choose.

EDIT: Well, I think I've made the decision and would like opinions. I think it make sense to get the sager, and upgrade the gpu to 8970m, then later when I can have a bit more to put towards it, I can put in an ssd and the like. By then, I assume Windows 8.1 will be out and I can just clean install and all will be well. What opinions do you have on not starting with an ssd? Would the 770m be able to overclock to levels near the 8970?

EDIT 2: Is the 95% color gamut worth the $50 over getting the IC thermal compound upgrade?

Yes, the 95% color gamut is worth every penny. Screen will look amazing!!

IC thermal upgrade is something you could do yourself.

When I ordered mine the July 4th special included both.
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 850 EVO OCZ Agility 3 Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB ASUS 12X BD-ROM 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B Windows 7 UE  Dual ASUS VE278Q 27" Ducky Shine II Clear DK9008 White LED  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2  Corsair 600T SE  Logitech G500, G7, G9x Xtrac Ripper XXL 
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Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO, 250 ohms Polk RTIA1 Black Turtle Beach PX5 Sony MDR-7506 Professional Series 
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i7-4700MQ 780m 16gb RAM Crucial 128GB M4  
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
750GB 7200rpm SATA3 Hybrid Hard Drive with 8GB...  6X Blu-ray Reader/8X DVD±R/2.4X +DL Super-Mult... Windows 7 Ultimate 15.6" Full HD LED-Backlit Display featuring 95%... 
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post #15 of 15
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Well, I don't want to have to take it apart. I figured I'd like to save that part for years to come and upgrade the GPU then.

EDIT: The 15.6in. Sager won't have any cooling issues, will it? Also, for those who own Sager laptops, how are the keyboards? I tend to like chicklet style keyboards, however, I know that won't be the case. How does it feel compared to a desktop keyboard or other laptops of its class?
Edited by darknessrise - 7/9/13 at 10:22pm
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