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Poll Results: What would you do in my position?

 
  • 44% (12)
    Stick with 775 socket
  • 55% (15)
    Upgrade
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post #1 of 88
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Hi, at the moment I'm focused on running a Cube World and a Minecraft server, running one or both at once and they seem to be coming along fine with players coming on and off and not many complaints about performance.
My server is running a Core 2 Duo E6750 underclocked to 2040mhz (2GHz) and undervolted to about 1.1250v., I'm planning on pushing this lower.

I've seemed to have come to a conclusion and I'm sticking with the 775 socket, now this thread is about upgrading the server and making it safe and secure tongue.gif I should really start a new thread.

My Solution:
Remote GPU, RDP.
Underclock and undervolt the CPU.

My main goal I'm trying to achieve with this build is keeping the power consumption down, unfortunately the motherboard hasn't got a display port so I'm forced to use a AMD Radeon 4670 which increases power consumption substantially, reviews proclaim it draws abut 90w on idle(I haven't got a power meter so I'm not sure to be exact), this to me is a lot for a 24/7 server, especially since its not utilized much and only houses game servers and some videos and files to be streamed to other computers on the network.

So right now I'm trying to figure out what i should focus to decrease power consumption, the CPU or GPU.

If I was to focus on the GPU i could purchase a £20-30 graphics card such as an AMD 6450 which should drastically decrease the power drawn from the GPU.
If I was to focus on the CPU i could continue undervolting and underclocking, but the GPU's power draw dampens my ability to decrease the server's power draw.

A second option other than undervolting the current CPU is to make a 1155 build, I was considering updating the 775 socket DDR2 build to a 1155 socket DDR3 build and a Sandybridge Pentium.
To be honest I'm not to keen on doing so as I would have to spend over £100 on a new build and the current build would probably go to waste including the collection of DDR2 ram modules I've collected over the years frown.gif

The idle power consumption of some of the Pentiums on the 1155 socket I've seen to be as low as 40-50W, underclocking and undervolting my Core 2 Duo could probably get me there or close to it, but that would probably cut its performance down a lot and it wouldn't be comparable to a Sandybridge Pentium performance-wise, the performance its offering at the moment is fine so it should be possible to push the power consumption lower without drastically affecting the performance.

If I stick with a 775 socket server I can easily upgrade to a Core 2 Quad to increase the system performance if necessary.

At the moment I have a lot of opportunities but I'm not sure which one is the right path, I'm intending to upgrade my Gaming rig this year so I'm trying not to spend much money on things which i don't require.

My budget could be perceived as £100 I don't need to buy a computer case or a PSU.
It should be possible to buy a motherboard and a G550 and 4GB of ram.

Budget friendly option
Buy a cheap low power GPU and call it day:
Solves GPU power problem - decrease power consumption

Not so budget friendly option
Build a Sandy bridge Pentium server:
Solves CPU power problem - lower power consumption due to newer hardware and architecture
Solves GPU power problem - no need for a dedicated graphics processing unit
Possible performance boost
I spend money -_- Maybe its time to give the 775 socket a rest?

What I would like to know is what sounds like a better option between the two, a Pentium resolves my power problem but affects my budget but will also improve the performance of the system, is it time to let the 775 socket rest?
Or is it not worth the hassle of building a new machine and spending money on a new build?
Edited by TopicClocker - 7/31/13 at 7:34am
post #2 of 88
The 4670 doesn't pull 90w at idle. I have a killwatt and I had a 4670, and with my system and 2 HDD and a 130w unlocked athlon x4, I was only pulling 130w at idle and max at 170-180w while playing games and increasing the graphic fan.

So...I doubt it pulls 90w at idle. It's probably the max load.

As for the 775 socket, that's what I'm doing right now. I had a intel atom server but I wanted more space for my HDD and I needed more ports, so I purchased a micro ATX board with a 2.6GHZ 775 duo core with the onboard graphic. I'm hoping to pull around 60-90w from it while having 4HDD spining myself.

But chances are that the biggest reduction is probably your 4670, it does draw quite a bit when even idle. I would say around 30-40w since that's what my pulls when going from idle to gaming mode.

You can underclock your CPU quite a bit but you need the power for your server, so I would just underclock it to the lowest to keep it functional as a server and run your stuff. You can get a few watts from it. Same for your fan, they draw around 2-5w themselves.

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As for 1155 build...it's pretty pricy compare to 775 for either the motherboard or the CPU itself, but it might work better. I would say grab a kill-a-watt and use it once or two without the graphic cards and with it and see what the watts are at. Either way, I've seen people saying they can get 15-30w from a 65 or 95w TDP CPU. You gotta keep in mind that the northbridge, southbridge , intergrated chipset would also draws quite a bit of power depending what you got.

i suggest keeping the 775 and see what happen without the 4670, but buy a cheaper solution. Hell, if it's a server, why would you need a graphic card? Just remote it in. Once I get my mATX board, I might just turn off the graphic option once I get it ready.

good luck.
Edited by Samuez - 7/9/13 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Samuez View Post

The 4670 doesn't pull 90w at idle. I have a killwatt and I had a 4670, and with my system and 2 HDD and a 130w unlocked athlon x4, I was only pulling 130w at idle and max at 170-180w while playing games and increasing the graphic fan.

So...I doubt it pulls 90w at idle. It's probably the max load.

As for the 775 socket, that's what I'm doing right now. I had a intel atom server but I wanted more space for my HDD and I needed more ports, so I purchased a micro ATX board with a 2.6GHZ 775 duo core with the onboard graphic. I'm hoping to pull around 60-90w from it while having 4HDD spining myself.

But chances are that the biggest reduction is probably your 4670, it does draw quite a bit when even idle. I would say around 30-40w since that's what my pulls when going from idle to gaming mode.

You can underclock your CPU quite a bit but you need the power for your server, so I would just underclock it to the lowest to keep it functional as a server and run your stuff. You can get a few watts from it. Same for your fan, they draw around 2-5w themselves.

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As for 1155 build...it's pretty pricy compare to 775 for either the motherboard or the CPU itself, but it might work better. I would say grab a kill-a-watt and use it once or two without the graphic cards and with it and see what the watts are at. Either way, I've seen people saying they can get 15-30w from a 65 or 95w TDP CPU. You gotta keep in mind that the northbridge, southbridge , intergrated chipset would also draws quite a bit of power depending what you got.

i suggest keeping the 775 and see what happen without the 4670, but buy a cheaper solution. Hell, if it's a server, why would you need a graphic card? Just remote it in. Once I get my mATX board, I might just turn off the graphic option once I get it ready.

good luck.

Thanks for the reply I think I will get a power meter or a "Kill A Watt", Initially I didn't require a graphics card as the motherboard I was going to use had a display port, however it seems it has died as it doesn't boot however has the power LED, but I'm not sure if there's just missing jumpers.
If I can maybe I can get a passive 6450 which should hopefully pull a lot less and may have a hdmi port if I'm lucky.

I've been looking for a smaller 775 socket motherboard, perhaps a MATX to squeeze into a smaller case such as the Zalman Z1 which is at an affordable price, but that would lose me two ram DIMMs which i don't want to do as the boards I can find that are MATX only have 2 ram slots, and If I'm buying a new board I might as well get an 1155 socket motherboard and processor, so that's out of the question.
post #4 of 88
Remove gpu and access the box via remote desktop? rdp, teamviewer, logmein whatever your prefered method.
post #5 of 88
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Originally Posted by mysticx2600 View Post

Remove gpu and access the box via remote desktop? rdp, teamviewer, logmein whatever your prefered method.

Does that work with Windows 7 or Window Server?
And couldn't that affect accessibility of the machine?

Also are remote desktops safe and secure?
Edited by TopicClocker - 7/10/13 at 4:53am
post #6 of 88
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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

Thanks for the reply I think I will get a power meter or a "Kill A Watt", Initially I didn't require a graphics card as the motherboard I was going to use had a display port, however it seems it has died as it doesn't boot however has the power LED, but I'm not sure if there's just missing jumpers.
If I can maybe I can get a passive 6450 which should hopefully pull a lot less and may have a hdmi port if I'm lucky.

I've been looking for a smaller 775 socket motherboard, perhaps a MATX to squeeze into a smaller case such as the Zalman Z1 which is at an affordable price, but that would lose me two ram DIMMs which i don't want to do as the boards I can find that are MATX only have 2 ram slots, and If I'm buying a new board I might as well get an 1155 socket motherboard and processor, so that's out of the question.
Or buy a used HD5450 tongue.gif I'm sure all of them have HDMI connectors
Sandy boards are more expensive than 775 boards in terms of talking pure price (but have more SATA alas) but jeez ... keep your 775. It's not worth it. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by mysticx2600 View Post

Remove gpu and access the box via remote desktop? rdp, teamviewer, logmein whatever your prefered method.
Which is what should be done all the time tongue.gif But i'm not sure if it would work without a GPU
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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

Does that work with Windows 7 or Window Server?
And couldn't that affect accessibility of the machine?

Also are remote desktops safe and secure?
Of course Remote Desktop Connection works, it's there!
You can use SSL encryption if you want, i don't see why it's any less safer than accessing it directly
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post #7 of 88
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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

Does that work with Windows 7 or Window Server?
And couldn't that affect accessibility of the machine?

Also are remote desktops safe and secure?

If it works is dependent on the mobo, check in bios for settings Halt on error, gpu post, try deactivating it and give it a try. Depends on what low power draw card you can find at what £££, if you end up spending 30 quid on a gpu I would go with the new mobo and cpu g16xx

Yes RDP is decently safe, if you are using it within lan and not opening the ports even safer. Windows RDP is like a dream compared to any other current solution.
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Originally Posted by mysticx2600 View Post

If it works is dependent on the mobo, check in bios for settings Halt on error, gpu post, try deactivating it and give it a try. Depends on what low power draw card you can find at what £££, if you end up spending 30 quid on a gpu I would go with the new mobo and cpu g16xx

Yes RDP is decently safe, if you are using it within lan and not opening the ports even safer. Windows RDP is like a dream compared to any other current solution.

Thanks I'll give that a look, I have open ports for Minecraft and CubeWorld, not sure how that will effect safety.
Also this is my home server and I do have a few files I stream to other computers on the network, I'm currently using the Zonealarm Firewall and my BT Home Hub 3 is supposed to be dealing an extra layer of protection I believe, is this wise having hosting on one end, and streaming on the other to the network? No one else has access to the network apart from the household. Those I invite into the server only have access to the server's external IP.

Also is it possible to have two separate routers to connect to, preferably one for the Internet and one for streaming files from the Home server?
Potentially allocating all the streaming to a single router, and Internet to another router?

My home server was recently built out of unused components and Windows 7, I've been considering switching to Windows 7, is it possible to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows Home Server 2011 (I know it's been discontinued but It seems really useful and affordable)
I've seemed to have lost a 120GB HDD i could of used for Installing the OS, I never knew that was humanly possible, I might just wipe the current HDD and start off fresh if Its not possible to upgrade.
Edited by TopicClocker - 7/11/13 at 3:56am
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Thanks I'll give that a look, I have open ports for Minecraft and CubeWorld, not sure how that will effect safety.
Also this is my home server and I do have a few files I stream to other computers on the network, I'm currently using the Zonealarm Firewall and my BT Home Hub 3 is supposed to be dealing an extra layer of protection I believe, is this wise having hosting on one end, and streaming on the other to the network? No one else has access to the network apart from the household. Those I invite into the server only have access to the server's external IP.

Also is it possible to have two separate routers to connect to, preferably one for the Internet and one for streaming files from the Home server?
Potentially allocating all the streaming to a single router, and Internet to another router?

My home server was recently built out of unused components and Windows 7, I've been considering switching to Windows 7, is it possible to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows Home Server 2011 (I know it's been discontinued but It seems really useful and affordable)
I've seemed to have lost a 120GB HDD i could of used for Installing the OS, I never knew that was humanly possible, I might just wipe the current HDD and start off fresh if Its not possible to upgrade.

You dont have to worry about ports that are not open, give windows rdp a try already you will be surprised. Stick with win7, whs is very nice but its kinda a downgrade you can achieve equal or more functionality on win7.

Forget about the idea with 2 networks adds complexity but not much security, what happens in lan is safe! Give us you motherboard model already and maybe i'll tell you if its possible to run without gpu.
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Originally Posted by mysticx2600 View Post

You dont have to worry about ports that are not open, give windows rdp a try already you will be surprised. Stick with win7, whs is very nice but its kinda a downgrade you can achieve equal or more functionality on win7.

Forget about the idea with 2 networks adds complexity but not much security, what happens in lan is safe! Give us you motherboard model already and maybe i'll tell you if its possible to run without gpu.

I like WHS because it seems to make things much easier, sharing files is driving me mad atm, is it possible to upgrade to it if I wanted to from Windows 7?
And is RDP built into the OS?
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