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AMD FX definitely doesn't stand for what it did before.

When the original FXs were still new the name stood for extreme performance, premium products, extreme high end stuff etc.

Starting with bulldozer though the name has been reduced to mean mediocre performance and value oriented purchases. No it's not even remotey the same.

They also definitely aren't competitive with i7s except in some special scenarios. Matching them in some loads doesn't erase those 95% of the applications where the i7s are ahead and it also doesn't erase power consumption, OCing potential, having an igpu, being connected to a modern chipset with modern features, etc. No the FXs are priced in line with the level of products they compete with (for the huge majority of users anyways, exceptions are possible on both sides).

They also have a massive die size if you compare them to intel's offerings. Vishera is twice the size of say a 3770K. And about one third of the die size of a 3770K is taken up by the igpu. This just means that the dies AMD is selling are expensive to make. And that tech wise they've been falling behind intel more and more during the years.
Just want to comment on the two bold points. Word choice here is poor considering the knowledge we now have, even you Alatar have been part of the discussion. First part: we have seen a lot of these scenarios where Intel is far ahead have qualifiers based upon the CPU being used ie: using a specific instruction set depending on the processor. This has a way to make one CPU look like it is far ahead when in fact its lead would be slight to none existent, to being behind. That's not to say every case where i7 has a lead does this, it is likely only a few cases do this, but it doesn't give an accurate picture of truth now does it.

Second: techwise you are in fact right to a degree. Silicon to silicon, not counting architecture, Intel does have a considerable lead. But then again considering R&D budgets Intel should be in the lead. On the architecture that is debatable. Toward the future, I think AMD was preparing for future multithread workloads whereas Intel was still too focused on single thread. But only time will tell how each handles what may come. But as has been stated in numerous threads, AMD new unified structure and HSA and the open source programming they are headed in only look to increase AMDs performance. To put it mildly, even a mediocre APU will be able to hang with a performance/enthusiast chip. Now imagine how much better a mid to high level APU would fare. Granted these are a lot of ifs but if it does come to pass these notions most here have of performance will need to change.
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Not really new news but VR-zone finally published an article in English saying their leak AMD documents show that the FX is at the end of the line. Same information has the chinese language version published a few days earlier.
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Interestingly the document also made it clears the days of the big core are numbered, leaving the FX-9590 as the final legacy of the FX line.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/hold-for-publication-why-its-a-big-deal-that-amd-is-delaying-kaveri/49389.html
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So is there a board out that can handle the FX-9xxx? I haven't found any that I would feel safe using long term. It has a FBS of like 5k right? How could you even wrangle all that? If anyone could let me in on the secret to taming these new 9xxx please do. And does this mean the 9xxx are only using piledriver?
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So is there a board out that can handle the FX-9xxx? I haven't found any that I would feel safe using long term. It has a FBS of like 5k right? How could you even wrangle all that? If anyone could let me in on the secret to taming these new 9xxx please do. And does this mean the 9xxx are only using piledriver?

Crosshair V (-Z) and Gigabytes UD5 and 7 board can surely handle the 9xxx chips after all all records were broken on CHV boards.
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So is there a board out that can handle the FX-9xxx? I haven't found any that I would feel safe using long term. It has a FBS of like 5k right? How could you even wrangle all that? If anyone could let me in on the secret to taming these new 9xxx please do. And does this mean the 9xxx are only using piledriver?

Also the Asrock Extreme 9 with 12x2 power phase control is already advertised as AMD 9xxx ready.
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AM3+ isn't done yet. They will offer one more round of fx centurion junior models, 5GHz four and six core chips with 180w tdp 😝
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