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Sold my sig rig, time for a new build.

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#1 ·
Ok so here's the deal.. I sold my sig rig (tower only) to a 14 year old that really needed an upgrade. I got 1.1k from the sale and now I have 1.6k for a new build.

All I do is game so there is no need for a 6-8 core cpu. I want something that will do the job and most importantly something that will not double as a furnace.

My last setup was a 2500K @ 4.5/4.6Ghz paired with a GTX 570 that was superb when it come to temps, I want to build something that will equal or better my last system with the exception that I want to go smaller.

Take into consideration that I am not going to delid!

My ambient is normally at 67-74F, here are my last recorded temps:

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/2938/frostyonair.png

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I want to be able to attain tolerable temps just like the ones above, If I have to resort to another 2500K then so be it, not looking for CPU's running at 70c or higher during games (INTEL).

Everything will be purchased via newegg, no exceptions.

Doesn't matter if it's AMD or INTEL, I have owned both and to be honest im just looking for bang for buck. No flamewars permitted on this thread, I already know the capabilities of both brands, please lets keep this thread civilized.

This is what I have stored on my brain as of today :

BitFenix BFC-PRO-300-GGWKG-RP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811345026

Intel Core i5-4670K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899

ASRock Z87E-ITX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157374

ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121770

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460

SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD120BW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Rosewill CAPSTONE-650-M
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182263

ASUS 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Not sure if I should go with an AIO or high end air cooler. Last 2 AIO that I have purchased were defective : h80 and h100i.

Noise is not an issue, to be honest I am one of the few that like to hear my rig scream when playing games.

Going to be buying the parts in the next 7-10 days.

Any feedback is much appreciated
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#2 ·
Are you going to try and overclock to 4.5 on the 4670k as well?

Because if so then you will be very hard pressed(if not finding it impossible.) to keep similar temps as your Sandy did without going underwater, delidding, or going for a more extreme cooling solution(like LN2). Tho I guess that depends on what you find tolerable.

Ivy Bridge and Haswell are HOT chips when running the same clocks as Sandy. To give an example, my 3570k(not delidded.) is at 4.5 and reaches 80C(ambient between 25C-30C, your ambient is close to 20C) while being cooled by an H80i. And Haswell will act the same way.

Edit: Just saw your changes in the post. You might be able to have Haswell run close to 70C while at 4.5, but I think it will probably go over.
 
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Originally Posted by TwistedTime View Post

Are you going to try and overclock to 4.5 on the 4670k as well?

Because if so then you will be very hard pressed(if not finding it impossible.) to keep similar temps as your Sandy did without going underwater, delidding, or going for a more extreme cooling solution(like LN2).

Ivy Bridge and Haswell are HOT chips when running the same clocks as Sandy.
sorry for not pointing that out..

I want at least a 4.3Ghz OC..

ivy and haswell run hot, this is the main reason im looking for feedback because if I have to sacrifice speed for temps then so be it.. So in other words its going to be most likely a 2500K vs. an 8350
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#4 ·
4.3 overclock with 70C or less? That is a bit more doable. Let me switch to 4.3 and run Prime will quick to check my temps.

Edit: Well after trying it out, I was around 75C(Ambient around 27C) So knock off about 5C because your ambient is lower than mine and you would be ok. Tho personally I think it might be cutting a bit close since you don't know what the silicon lottery will hand out to you, my 3570k is about average. I can't tell you what is average for Haswell right now tho other than that there seems to be a broader range between the crappy chips and the golden chips(which performs similar to Ivy Bridge golden chips.), probably because Haswell is still new.

So to be on the safe side I would say go with another Sandy. I have no experiences with AMD chips, so if they can perform 4.3 or more while being in your tolerable zone then someone who knows more about them will need to speak up.
 
#5 ·
yea, leaning towards an 8350 but still debating weather I should delid or not...

reason i don't wan't to delid is because I don't want to resort to modifying anything, if i screw up im out 200-300$ and that is not an option.. would rather buy something else just to be on the safe side ..
 
#7 ·
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Go with a Swiftech H220, will take care of your heat issues and concerns with going with another Corsair unit.
does swiftech have the same warranty as Corsair when it comes to leaks?
 
#9 ·
Hi Maiky

You won't be losing speed with a lower overclock
you would have 10% performance improvement with IVY
this is compounded with another 10% ish on Haswell

getting to 4.3 is not difficult on Haswell and I have seen many people with Noctua AIR or H80i/H100i coolers hitting 4.5 with Stress testing temps in the 80's 90's which means gaming temps of 70's to 80's.
I only have a BeQuiet Dark Rock advanced and my gaming temperatures in a pretty warm room @ 4.2GHz are hitting 70C top core temp, in Battlefield 3 and Grid2, ambient temp is up because my ageing 570 is right next to the cpu cooler on the mATX board.

Good luck with your build choices, there are many happy Haswell owners on here, it didn't turn out to be the turkey most labelled it at launch.
 
#10 ·
The only problem i see with your build is that the motherboard will not fit the bitfenix case.

I can see your reason for wanting to go with a 2500k as you can get a higher clock speed with less heat but the only problem is if you get a chip that does not overclock well. Also, 4.3ghz on a haswell chip will be as fast as a higher clocked sandybridge chip although you could probably find a z77 board and a 2500k for cheaper.

although being an amd person myself, i would advise going with an i5 if all you do is play games. The only time i would get an 8350 is if the games you play rely heavily upon the gpu or you require alot of threads for other things aswell.

If you want to go with air cooling then the noctua NH-U14S, NH-D14 Silverstone Heligon HE01 or the Phanteks PH-TC14PE are good options.
 
#11 ·
For the motherboard, you will need to pick a micro-ITX motherboard. If you want the motherboard you selected, you would need to mod the case in order for it to fit.

Another solution could be to choose another chassis, maybe the 350D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139021

But ofc, the case is really a personal taste. The OC performance of a mini-ITX is already pretty low, while the cooling for a H80i/H100i inside a BitFenix using the Haswell series would be close to impossible to reach 4.3GHz and keeping it around 70c. And not only did you pick the model with no ventilation holes in the side panel but a window, also a few additional degrees celsius can be counted here. If you plan on getting 4.3GHz stable at around 70c, i do not recommend the BitFenix Prodigy.

PS i'm an earlier owner of the BitFenix prodigy, i know that for a fact its hard to keep all components quiet and cool.
 
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Originally Posted by sBirke View Post

For the motherboard, you will need to pick a micro-ITX motherboard. If you want the motherboard you selected, you would need to mod the case in order for it to fit.

Another solution could be to choose another chassis, maybe the 350D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139021

But ofc, the case is really a personal taste. The OC performance of a mini-ITX is already pretty low, while the cooling for a H80i/H100i inside a BitFenix using the Haswell series would be close to impossible to reach 4.3GHz and keeping it around 70c. And not only did you pick the model with no ventilation holes in the side panel but a window, also a few additional degrees celsius can be counted here. If you plan on getting 4.3GHz stable at around 70c, i do not recommend the BitFenix Prodigy.

PS i'm an earlier owner of the BitFenix prodigy, i know that for a fact its hard to keep all components quiet and cool.
That is one of the reasons I wanted to go with a 2500K, this way I won't have to worry about temps. On the other hand I will most likely get an H220 with some high CFM fans. Noise is not an issue as I will swap the stock case fans for something more powerful.
 
#14 ·
Would be reasonable, but Haswell operates at average of 10% better than Ivy at same clock speed, while ivy was tested to operate roughly 10% faster than Sandy Bridge at the same clock speed of sandy bridge. So would it be needed to OC Haswell to a 4.3 OC if 3.8-4.0 will do the same as your old i5-2500k @ 4.5GHz? The 2500k is 2 generations old - you can buy a cheap used one.. But buying a new would simply not be worth it and the sell price will be very low once you decide to try out something else.

A H220 might be able to pull a 4.3GHz at below 70degrees celsius, but i can't guarantee anything. Even with high Static Pressure fans at the radiator, its not even sure that in such a small case the fans will be able to pull in enough cool air, if the air inside the case is already "hot" how much would the watercooling actually help? Also if you use push+pull on the radiator, i doubt the H220 can be mounted in the top. However if you decide to try out this build (i might be surprised how well it could actually perform) you should install the radiator in the front, giving you directly cool air(if your room is not very hot) and then set fans as exhaust at the top of the cage. This could give a well working flow to the case - note that you would not have room for drivebays then and you will only be able to install 2.5" drives.

This could work.

If you don't understand my English, simply tell me and i'll try to re-express myself
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Would be reasonable, but Haswell operates at average of 10% better than Ivy at same clock speed, while ivy was tested to operate roughly 10% faster than Sandy Bridge at the same clock speed of sandy bridge. So would it be needed to OC Haswell to a 4.3 OC if 3.8-4.0 will do the same as your old i5-2500k @ 4.5GHz? The 2500k is 2 generations old - you can buy a cheap used one.. But buying a new would simply not be worth it and the sell price will be very low once you decide to try out something else.

A H220 might be able to pull a 4.3GHz at below 70degrees celsius, but i can't guarantee anything. Even with high Static Pressure fans at the radiator, its not even sure that in such a small case the fans will be able to pull in enough cool air, if the air inside the case is already "hot" how much would the watercooling actually help? Also if you use push+pull on the radiator, i doubt the H220 can be mounted in the top. However if you decide to try out this build (i might be surprised how well it could actually perform) you should install the radiator in the front, giving you directly cool air(if your room is not very hot) and then set fans as exhaust at the top of the cage. This could give a well working flow to the case - note that you would not have room for drivebays then and you will only be able to install 2.5" drives.

This could work.

If you don't understand my English, simply tell me and i'll try to re-express myself
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My ambient is pretty cold for the most part. The highest I have seen it is 75-76F which is not bad at all. I try to keep it at 70F or lower and in the winter it can go as low as 58/60F.

Is there a manufacturer out there that makes a case similar to the prodigy? What other case options do I have if i want to go small, as in m-atx small? Trying to get a nice case that is easy to carry around. My previous 600T was impossible to take to Lan Parties
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#16 ·
Sorry, i will leave that answer to someone else. I cannot recommend another m-ITX chassis like the BitFenix Prodigy as i have no personal experience with any other than BitFenix. The 350D is however a micro-ATX(not m-ITX) case and is about half the size of your old 600T. You could look up some dimensions at corsairs website. I myself is receiving my 350D today, just waiting for the mailman to step by.

All in all, i cannot recommend m-ITX systems, unless you prefer size over performance. However the ITX has extremely increased its performance over the past two years, and maybe in a few years they would be equal to standard ATX performance wise. But for now - i will not build another ITX case unless its purely for LAN or Media.
 
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Originally Posted by sBirke View Post

For the motherboard, you will need to pick a micro-ITX motherboard. If you want the motherboard you selected, you would need to mod the case in order for it to fit.

Another solution could be to choose another chassis, maybe the 350D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139021

But ofc, the case is really a personal taste. The OC performance of a mini-ITX is already pretty low, while the cooling for a H80i/H100i inside a BitFenix using the Haswell series would be close to impossible to reach 4.3GHz and keeping it around 70c. And not only did you pick the model with no ventilation holes in the side panel but a window, also a few additional degrees celsius can be counted here. If you plan on getting 4.3GHz stable at around 70c, i do not recommend the BitFenix Prodigy.

PS i'm an earlier owner of the BitFenix prodigy, i know that for a fact its hard to keep all components quiet and cool.
all the overclocks on my 3570k were achieved with ease...even when i went for 4.9 ghz, my itx board didn't mind at all http://cdn.overclock.net/9/9a/9ada05ae_3.png

@OP, if you want a prodigy, there's no reason to hold off on getting it. mini-itx isn't exactly a limit any more. and it's true that the windowed prodigy will equate to slightly higher temps, but they won't necessarily be dangerously high. you could always mod the window and create space between the metal+acrylic so that there is airflow there - several people have done this and they all seem happy with the results. and if you haven't already, check out the prodigy owner's club in the computer cases forum. lots of cool things go on in there
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as for the build itself...now seems like the perfect time to get an air cooler. one of my main problems with AIOs is the possibility of failure - and they've already failed on you twice? time to bail. i'd also suggest going with a 3570k+z77 board. ivy bridge will give you fewer things to worry about while having greater potential. the fact that it's cheaper doesn't hurt either
 
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all the overclocks on my 3570k were achieved with ease...even when i went for 4.9 ghz, my itx board didn't mind at all http://cdn.overclock.net/9/9a/9ada05ae_3.png

@OP, if you want a prodigy, there's no reason to hold off on getting it. mini-itx isn't exactly a limit any more. and it's true that the windowed prodigy will equate to slightly higher temps, but they won't necessarily be dangerously high. you could always mod the window and create space between the metal+acrylic so that there is airflow there - several people have done this and they all seem happy with the results. and if you haven't already, check out the prodigy owner's club in the computer cases forum. lots of cool things go on in there
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as for the build itself...now seems like the perfect time to get an air cooler. one of my main problems with AIOs is the possibility of failure - and they've already failed on you twice? time to bail. i'd also suggest going with a 3570k+z77 board. ivy bridge will give you fewer things to worry about while having greater potential. the fact that it's cheaper doesn't hurt either
Well done.. Can iask you a few questions then: Which motherboard did you get, what coolor do you use and where did you place the radiator? I didn't say dangerously high either, he wants to keep it below 70 degrees celsius and with a Haswell series CPU and an H80/H100 i don't think that would be possible unless he gets direct cool air by placing the radiator in the front. I have not been very lucky with my temps either. H100i at the top, i7-3770k(ofc pulls more heat than an i5), was able to push it to 4.5GHz and then it hitted 74degrees celsius after 30minutes prime95.. My motherboad was a ASRock Z77E-itx one of the only few Z77 boards at the time i purchased it.
 
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all the overclocks on my 3570k were achieved with ease...even when i went for 4.9 ghz, my itx board didn't mind at all http://cdn.overclock.net/9/9a/9ada05ae_3.png

@OP, if you want a prodigy, there's no reason to hold off on getting it. mini-itx isn't exactly a limit any more. and it's true that the windowed prodigy will equate to slightly higher temps, but they won't necessarily be dangerously high. you could always mod the window and create space between the metal+acrylic so that there is airflow there - several people have done this and they all seem happy with the results. and if you haven't already, check out the prodigy owner's club in the computer cases forum. lots of cool things go on in there
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as for the build itself...now seems like the perfect time to get an air cooler. one of my main problems with AIOs is the possibility of failure - and they've already failed on you twice? time to bail. i'd also suggest going with a 3570k+z77 board. ivy bridge will give you fewer things to worry about while having greater potential. the fact that it's cheaper doesn't hurt either
Well done.. Can iask you a few questions then: Which motherboard did you get, what coolor do you use and where did you place the radiator? I didn't say dangerously high either, he wants to keep it below 70 degrees celsius and with a Haswell series CPU and an H80/H100 i don't think that would be possible unless he gets direct cool air by placing the radiator in the front. I have not been very lucky with my temps either. H100i at the top, i7-3770k(ofc pulls more heat than an i5), was able to push it to 4.5GHz and then it hitted 74degrees celsius after 30minutes prime95.. My motherboad was a ASRock Z77E-itx one of the only few Z77 boards at the time i purchased it.
i'm using the asus p8z77-i and the phanteks ph-tc14pe, which is an air cooler. plenty of people in the prodigy club stand behind the asrock board though. there are also several prodigy owners with a cosair AIO - i doubt that it would be so popular if temps were problematic

and remember that the temps you get while stress testing aren't indicative of the temps you'll get on a day to day basis. at 4.5 ghz, i saw temps up to 80 C on prime95, while gaming temps were barely scraping 60 C. also, my cooler's fans were set to 100% while stress testing, while i leave them at 20% for regular use (including gaming)
 
#21 ·
For prodigy size cases, silverstone do some interesting tower cooling systems TJ03 or something
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both mATX and mITX versions
not forgetting the cool stuff that you get from Lian Li, they have a new one where you have a curved window showing off the insides.

I still vote for Haswell for you because you are not just gaining increases in performance per clock but great motherboard features too.
 
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You sold a rig with a 2500K and GTX 570 for 1.1K?! I feel sorry for that kid you sold it to.
well he got around 1200 in parts plus around $300 in games, I also threw in a brand new raptor G5 headset and a 21"LCD .. everything was purchased in Feb/March of this year with the exception of the GPU.
 
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