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Originally Posted by DUpgrade View Post

I read somehwere the 9970 will be somewhere between a 780 and a titan. You're probably fine. biggrin.gif

Honestly, though, there's not much room between the two card's specs.
That would be pretty easy to imagine.
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Honestly, though, there's not much room between the two card's specs.
That would be pretty easy to imagine.
Sure there is, in my wallet. For a card that should cost a lot less than the GTX 780 to begin with. biggrin.gif
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Sure there is, in my wallet. For a card that should cost a lot less than the GTX 780 to begin with. biggrin.gif
If it really beats the 780 they won't have a reason to price it much lower. They've already got the best bundles in history... and they're getting better with BF4!

Besides, I'm sure both companies would love to gradually shift the $500-550 price point to $600-650 for coming generations.
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When my video card stops from playing my games on mostly high settings, then that will be the time to switch. So far it kills everything with some moderate tweaking required in some games. I'm hoping that the new CF drivers will fix this dropped frames issue, since that is noticeable in some games - Skyrim, Metro 2023, Crysis 3 (just off the top of my head) and has been since the day I bought the card. Always felt let down by AMD for that.
Fair enough!

I always consider that GPU upgrading to be very, very "idiosyncratic". If the user is enjoying his games, even though compromising in graphics details; if his graphics card can deal with the games he plays, at the resolutions he wants and with the graphics settings he likes, then, there's no reason for him to upgrade.

As for me, my HD5970 just wasn't delivering anymore - even clocked at 1GHz in both cores. The main problem was the RAM. I could certainly live without MSAA or High levels of tesselation but, I couldn't play Metro 2033 and Metro: Last Light in Stereoscopic 3D and High settings without massive frame drops and all the other problems we know about multi-GPU systems, Playing the "Metros" in S-3D is an amazing experience I was really up to enjoy at full extent. Not just S-3D but, S-3D with all "eye-candy" my wallet could afford. Hence, the GTX 780.

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So really the 9970 better be superior to the Titan, at a reasonable price and with the CF issues fixed or else it will not be AMD at all. I might just wait till the 20nm cards at that point.

I really wish that turns to be true and the drivers really works with every Radeon series of cards.


If the 9970 turns out to be similar or better than TITAN or GTX 780 are, I see no reasons for AMD not to charge around €600 for the card; $549 as minimum, I recon. Keep in mind the HD7970 GHz Edition release price was $499.
Edited by Johnny Rook - 7/11/13 at 11:24pm
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If it really beats the 780 they won't have a reason to price it much lower. They've already got the best bundles in history... and they're getting better with BF4!

Besides, I'm sure both companies would love to gradually shift the $500-550 price point to $600-650 for coming generations.
With the way AMD prices their hardware, if it does perform between the GTX 780 and the TITAN. I can guarantee they will match Nvidia's pricing, even tho the card performs marginally better. That's AMD's way of "sticking it to the man" or in short Nvidia.
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My suspicion is they can't do much more than NVIDIA did:

1. Squeeze a bit more the 28nm process with very slight stepping improvements on the chip (i.e. 770) that can only improve overclocking ability really. They already know what is optimal for a certain process node and I doubt they will ever do much more than stability and minor tweaking without a shrinked process.

2. Double the die size and transistor count more or less (with slight improvements like more CUDA FP, irrelevant to gaming) but double the price of manufacturing (GK110). It was a slight efficiency improvement over the SLI-on-a-card product line basically.

I mean, AMD and NVIDIA are practically on the same manufacturing process. The only thing they compete on is theoretical design and marketing. But I don't think either of them is "bad" or "too good" at it compared to the other, and they already knew what is optimal for the 28nm process. thumb.gif

So, yeah, don't expect much more than a lightly tweaked chip or a doubled sized chip (the SLI-on-a-card successor).

The only thing that interests me is the pricing, I may just get a better offer. But technologically? No.
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If the rumored specs are true then they've increased die size a bit, perhaps the low 400mm2 range. Will be a pretty good spot for AMD if it performs in-between a 780 and a Titan which are based on a 551mm2 chip.
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If they increase die size though it is a Highway to higher prices, just like NVIDIA was forced to do it with the GK110. Foundries are simplistic in pricing really, you increase the die size, it will cost you thumb.gif

So yeah.. if they increase it, it will be hard to go lower than 550-$650 and if they reach something like $400 then you know they're probably at a loss for promotional reasons. I hope they do it that way thumb.gif
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AMD will charge based on how it competes with Nvidia. If it's faster than the 780 I wouldn't expect it to be less than $600 at launch unless Nvidia price drops before it launches.
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Well yeah, realistically I expect them to have a product that is around $500 and slightly beats the 770 and if they re brave, an 800 or $1000 product/products that slightly beats 780/Titan.
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