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Originally Posted by alcal View Post

Evidently I did. I'll duck out now.

(I vote friend 2, but I have only listened to real monitors in a studio environment so my knowledge is a bit limited)

Edit: However, I have never heard studio monitors scale well with volume, so if you need to crank it for whatever reason, get something more robust.[/quote]

My Alesis monitors sound great at 10 or 100 watts (the limit if the amp I am using for them). They will also blow your hair back. They do have a limited bass response though so I need a sub woofer if I want to feel the bass.

lol!
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post #12 of 16
It depends on the budget.
350€ studio monitors win 150€ studio headphones.
But 150€ studio headphones win 130€ studio monitors.

I have Behringer MS40 and B3031A, and Beyerdynamic DT-770 pro.
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post #13 of 16
The answer is it doesn't matter because adding "studio monitor" to the headphone title/propaganda doesn't make it any better than a normal headphone or speaker. The caliber of the speaker itself is the only thing that will determine whether it's a good speaker/headphone or not.

There are many "studio monitor" headphones that blow. They DON'T let you hear everything in the song and DON'T allow you to hear the song as the "artist intended." So what was the point of adding "studio monitor" to it's classification?

There's studio monitoring which is SUPPOSED to be as transparent as possible (Telling you right now, usually NOT the case) and there are speakers that aren't labeled "studio monitors" which are more transparent than those studio monitors. Even so..music playback is subjective. Some like to listen to music like critics and pull it apart piece by piece. Others like to enjoy the music for what it is...and there are certain brands that carry a certain tone/sound with it...there are british speakers that carry a distinct tone with them and American speakers which offer a more energetic sound. Neither is better than the other. What matters is how you want to hear it and how well the speaker reproduces the sound in an enjoyable manner to you for the price you put down.
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I can't say I'm an authority on the issue, or that every pair of "studio monitors!" is truly used in a studio, but I do know one thing. Studio's spend A LOT of money on room acoustics. Probably more than most peoples entire living room. If you put a speaker meant for a neutral room in a neutral room, you get the intended results. If you stick you studio monitors in an acoustically disgusting room, it doesn't matter how perfect the speakers are, your still going to get crap.
    
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post #15 of 16
Simca is right.

She also brought up something that I wish people would understand. Just because something is used in a studio does not mean it is good. Same with

Aslo, will people stop with this bull crap of "hear things the way the artist meant it to be heard". The ONLY way you are EVER going to hear the music exactly the way it was intended to sound is if you stand right next to band while they are playing.

By the end of the day, the guy/girl who is recording the music will have edited the music to the point where it sounds nothing like it is supposed to, so stop worrying so much about trying to hear every single detail and start worrying about how well the bulk of the details sound like.


I say just get a good dac, amp, speaker, and screw the monitors.
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post #16 of 16
Both are right and wrong. Ofcourse you can use studio monitors for everyday use but they were designed to sound good in an acoustically treated room (a studio). Outside of a studio you have all kinds of hard surfaces reflecting the sound, your walls creating standing waves etc. Hifi speakers will have the same problems so studio monitors will still sound better. (there are exceptions, for example the Yamaha NS-10's they were originally designed to be hifi speakers but alot of audio engineers ended up using them, they are very popular ''studio monitors'' lol)

Most music was/is mixed on speakers so time based effects such as reverb, chorus, flangers, phasers etc. will not sound as it was ment to sound on headphones. Headphones completely seperate the left and right channel to your left and rght ears, speakers don't, you'll hear some of the left channel with your right ear and the other way around but with a slight timing diffrence changing the sound of time based effects. Headphones also eliminate the room sound, that means there are no reflectons or standing waves wich makes it easier to distinguish sounds from eachother and will make everything sound cleaner.

I'm still earning myself so not everything might be 100% right. Also, english is not my mother language so I hope this all makes sense to you lol
Edited by FlamingBeatz - 7/19/13 at 7:08pm
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