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http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Hardware-154106/Tests/CPUs-und-Prozessoren-Test-Bestenliste-AMD-und-Intel-675663/

And before anyone complains about the resolution, upping the thing would only make the differences between the CPUs smaller, it wouldn't make CPU X beat CPU Y.

And it's also good to note that out of the CPUs in the list (and excluding locked intels) the 8350 probably has the least OCing potential.

The 8350 is a CPU that can game just fine but it's far from being the ideal gaming CPU at the moment. In GPU bound tests intel will do just as well as AMD while 99% of the CPU bound situations are won by intel CPUs. So for gaming you get the best of both worlds with intel chips. For a pure gaming machine unless you're on a budget the 8350 (in which case you should go 8320) makes no sense.

I never really take game benchmarks serisouly unless the test details are specific and the frame latencies/response times are shown. Crysis 3 benchmarks for example. are hit and miss as some becnhmarks use levels where there is far less cpu intensive action.

Im not trying to bash amd (all of my builds over the past 6 years have been amd) but if you just play games then i still reccomend the i5. Of course, if you stream videos when playing games or do any heavily multithreaded tasks then that is when the 8350 starts to seriously compete.
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http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Hardware-154106/Tests/CPUs-und-Prozessoren-Test-Bestenliste-AMD-und-Intel-675663/

And before anyone complains about the resolution, upping the thing would only make the differences between the CPUs smaller, it wouldn't make CPU X beat CPU Y.

And it's also good to note that out of the CPUs in the list (and excluding locked intels) the 8350 probably has the least OCing potential.

The 8350 is a CPU that can game just fine but it's far from being the ideal gaming CPU at the moment. In GPU bound tests intel will do just as well as AMD while 99% of the CPU bound situations are won by intel CPUs. So for gaming you get the best of both worlds with intel chips. For a pure gaming machine unless you're on a budget the 8350 (in which case you should go 8320) makes no sense.

I never really take game benchmarks serisouly unless the test details are specific and the frame latencies/response times are shown. Crysis 3 benchmarks for example. are hit and miss as some becnhmarks use levels where there is far less cpu intensive action.

Im not trying to bash amd (all of my builds over the past 6 years have been amd) but if you just play games then i still reccomend the i5. Of course, if you stream videos when playing games or do any heavily multithreaded tasks then that is when the 8350 starts to seriously compete.

The bad part about this graph is that it allows Skyrim and SC2 to bring down the FX 8350, and then it averages the times when FX 8350 does well with when it does bad while the Intels are doing fine the entire time.

FX 8350 is a very good value if you're running heavily threaded games and it'll let you put some money into something else, like a graphics card. But it's not for everyone. You really have to look at which games you play and which games FX 8350 is good at, and if you'll be needing it for multi-threaded work or anything non-gaming. Hence why I'm not impressed with that big summary graph.

What's interesting to me is that FX 6300 manages to beat i3 even with 40% of the benchmarks favoring Intel and 0% of them favoring AMD strongly.
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http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Hardware-154106/Tests/CPUs-und-Prozessoren-Test-Bestenliste-AMD-und-Intel-675663/

And before anyone complains about the resolution, upping the thing would only make the differences between the CPUs smaller, it wouldn't make CPU X beat CPU Y.

And it's also good to note that out of the CPUs in the list (and excluding locked intels) the 8350 probably has the least OCing potential.

The 8350 is a CPU that can game just fine but it's far from being the ideal gaming CPU at the moment. In GPU bound tests intel will do just as well as AMD while 99% of the CPU bound situations are won by intel CPUs. So for gaming you get the best of both worlds with intel chips. For a pure gaming machine unless you're on a budget the 8350 (in which case you should go 8320) makes no sense.

In most cases with the top CPU's at this resolution, It is the stock clock speeds that only make the difference. Especially on this graph.
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It all depends on what resolution you play at. 720p is more CPU and 1080p and up is GPU. Its simple, if you have the money, go for the 4670k. If your a little tight, for for the 8350.

Try to not get into that "what is the best" mentality. That term changes almost yearly and you will go broke constantly trying to get the best. Go for the bang for the buck.
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dont forget not to skimp on the other hardware the motherboard / ram chosen will drastically affect overall performance like say a cheap motherboard often has weaker NB and PCIe controllers and such which drastically affect overall performance then you got ram cheap ram often has very loose timings which drastically hurt AMD's performance mind you AMD FX 8350 loves 1866mhz ram with tight timings i have seen ram alone affect FPS ingames on FX8350 upto around 20-35FPS also have seen cheaper motherboards affect FPS alot sometimes almost 25%-50% on FPS so dont skimp on the other hardware also %90 of time slowest part of a PC is the harddrive which can cause hitching / stuttering an such which often affects FPS or gives a choppy feel to the gameplay and such.


the reason cheap motherboards affect the performance so much is because the PCIe contrllers and such are weak and cause less bandwidth to be passed thru meening less overall performance / FPS the NB also on cheaper motherboards like say a 970a vs 990fxa the NB is slowwer / weaker and often PCIe controller also.


another thing most people mistake in the AMD FX setup they often leave the command rate on the ram 2t which cuts the performance of the ram alot the best option is 1t command rate with 1866mhz ram just by going from 2t to 1t i got 15FPS increase on average not including tightening timings then you got the NB i took my NB to 2400mhz 24/7 this got me another 5-8 FPS also by overclocking the processor i got better FPS i run 4.8ghz x8 24/7 not sure how much it increased but it helped my trifire performance and the NB overclocking did a huge increase in scaling on the GPU's the ram timings and 1t command rate i had before i did trifire so not sure as to what it increased overall on 3x hd 7970's i get around 93%-98% utilization across 3 cards so it hasnt hurt my performance much and has brought the overall performance up alot before the NB and such i got 85%-93% utilization be aware i run eyefinity at 7680 x 1600 resolution most of time a few games i dont because they dont quite work well with eyefinity.


i also want to point out in modern games with modern resolution there is very little difference from I5 to 8350 performance look at BF3 / crysis 3 / far cry 3 / tomb raider / also metro lastlight there is a move to multi threaded games that is coming into affect also i advise a I7 over a I5 because of this I5 doesnt have hyperhtreading is a plane quad core .


I also want to point out if your planning to overclock the haswell I5 good luck it is a huge luck of the draw and minute you touch voltage they start melting down like a nuclear reactor also the haswell I5 / I7 has other issues like the bad IHS to die contact pressure causing the thermal paste between them to fry and dry out making for a insane temperature you cant fix without deliding or literally taking a hammer to the CPU in a vice or using a razor blade to remove the IHS chancing nicking the PCB and ruining the CPU altogether both methods of deliding planely show violation of the warranty and are very risky.
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woop woop here we go again lol

Check this thread out:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1413308/amd-fx-8350-or-intel-i5-3570k
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which one is better i5 4670 non k vs 6350 and the 8350 overclocked and non
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