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Send back my 3570k for a 4670k?

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#1 ·
Hi guys.

Just upgraded my old Phenom II rig with a i5-3570k. The thing is, I just saw that the 4670k is about the same price, 10€ more. Same for the motherboard.

So I don't really know what to do. My rig is installed and everything, should I go through the trouble of unmounting my CPU+Motherboard, send them back and get a 4670k?

Thanks in advance!
 
#5 ·
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Okay I just ordered the 4670k, I'll return the 3570k. thanks guys!
I guess its too late to say you should of kept the 1155,
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I can still cancel my order haha, why should I keep it?
Its not really a ground breaking upgrade, if any at all. We also see the older tech already having an advantage with overclocking and better support with bios updates etc etc. If its a gaming rig, you already have the power to run everything, you would just be spending time and money. Granted you say the money its much more.
 
#8 ·
Yeah my main problem was the cost of shipping back everything, and obviously the time it takes to install everything + OS. I also read that overclocking isn't that great on Haswell too, but I can live with that because the IPC increase makes up for it.
But what really sold me is the socket. LGA 1155 is dead if I read correctly, LGA 1150 gives me some room for a future upgrade. If my 3570k ran on LGA 1150 I wouldn't have bothered. The only thing I miss with AMD is their very future proof sockets... Intel doesn't even try.
 
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Yeah my main problem was the cost of shipping back everything, and obviously the time it takes to install everything + OS. I also read that overclocking isn't that great on Haswell too, but I can live with that because the IPC increase makes up for it.
But what really sold me is the socket. LGA 1155 is dead if I read correctly, LGA 1150 gives me some room for a future upgrade. If my 3570k ran on LGA 1150 I wouldn't have bothered. The only thing I miss with AMD is their very future proof sockets... Intel doesn't even try.
1155 is dead? I don't know where that comes from or what its suppose to mean. Seldom, do people upgrade and keep the same socket, yes it does happen for some. But people here for the most part upgrade everything. 1155 still has years in it IMHO. I have always been a GPU > CPU kinda guy. I ran my Q9550 until this year.
 
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1155 is dead? I don't know where that comes from or what its suppose to mean. Seldom, do people upgrade and keep the same socket, yes it does happen for some. But people here for the most part upgrade everything. 1155 still has years in it IMHO. I have always been a GPU > CPU kinda guy. I ran my Q9550 until this year.
Dead in the sense that there won't be any new socket 1155 cpus coming out anymore, so dead for upgrades but far from obsolete.
 
#11 ·
I mean that Intel won't release any new CPU for it. 1150 will be compatible with Broadwell, so it's not "dead".
Yes I think the same way as you , I had a phenom x4 that last me like 4 years while my GPUs changed on a yearly basis. That's actually another point in favor of going Haswell, it provides better perfs so it won't bottleneck my rig as fast as my 3750k, I guess.
 
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I mean that Intel won't release any new CPU for it. 1150 will be compatible with Broadwell, so it's not "dead".
Yes I think the same way as you , I had a phenom x4 that last me like 4 years while my GPUs changed on a yearly basis. That's actually another point in favor of going Haswell, it provides better perfs so it won't bottleneck my rig as fast as my 3750k, I guess.
CPU support for 1155, that's fine. I still say the 3570k would last long enough till a real upgrade comes along. I would no way in hell go through the time it takes making the jump to Haswell from my 3570k.
 
#13 ·
Yeah I'm starting to think I'm going to waste more time than anything... just reinstalling the OS is a PITA I'll try ocing that 3750k a bit more before going for that 4670k.

I'd like to see a 4670k at like 4ghz vs a 3750k at 4.4-5ghz but I can't find anything... any idea where to look?
 
#14 ·
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Yeah I'm starting to think I'm going to waste more time than anything... just reinstalling the OS is a PITA I'll try ocing that 3750k a bit more before going for that 4670k.

I'd like to see a 4670k at like 4ghz vs a 3750k at 4.4-5ghz but I can't find anything... any idea where to look?
Anandtech has a benchmark feature , but its a comparison of stock vs stock. I also agree 100%, upgrading is a major time sink. Its about 4 hours with downloading all the updates and installing everything for me.
 
#15 ·
Stock vs stock is something around 7% more perfs for Haswell but what's really interesting me is the difference OC-wise. If a 3570k can offer similar perfs as a 4670k because of better OCing then I'll stick with my current setup.
 
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Stock vs stock is something around 7% more perfs for Haswell but what's really interesting me is the difference OC-wise. If a 3570k can offer similar perfs as a 4670k because of better OCing then I'll stick with my current setup.
I look at it this way, I build mine for gaming. So either of them will give me the same FPS. I have had mine as high as 5.0, ran 4.8 for a while decided to drop down to 4.6. that's more than enough for any games I play. I could up my FPS by going Crossfire over swapping to Haswell, or even a better single GPU.
 
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#17 ·
Same here, gaming rig. (And some photoshopping on the side but nothing too demanding)

I'll see if I got lucky with my cpu, maybe it's a good overcloker.

Damn it, it's that whole "I have something more than powerful enough but OMG that new CPU is so shiny" thing again. Everytime I upgrade I want more ^^'.
 
#18 ·
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Same here, gaming rig. (And some photoshopping on the side but nothing too demanding)

I'll see if I got lucky with my cpu, maybe it's a good overcloker.

Damn it, it's that whole "I have something more than powerful enough but OMG that new CPU is so shiny" thing again. Everytime I upgrade I want more ^^'.
I don't see an SSD in your rig info, now that's an upgrade. I use to be the same as you when it came to upgrading. But it was GPU's, seriously, if something better came out 6 months later, I was buying it. I learned not to do that.
 
#19 ·
if I had a 3570K then a 4670K is out of the question.
you wanna upgrade from the 3750K then just get a 3770K and be done with it.
odds are you can clock your 3570K higher than a 4670K anyways and that will compensate for the minimal IPC gain in Haswell.

my issue is with your MSI Z77A-G45 mobo, all MSI mobos below G55 are sub par and even G55 is questionable.
only 4GB of RAM, you really need 8GB nowadays
add SSD and then upgrade the GTX 570..

so upgrading to a 4670K and Z87 board is a waste IMOp, upgrading surrounding hardware is what I would do.

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also that mobo is not SLI capable, so if you run dual GPU's then either CF-X set-up or PhysX only..
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by malmental View Post

if I had a 3570K then a 4670K is out of the question.
you wanna upgrade from the 3750K then just get a 3770K and be done with it.
odds are you can clock your 3570K higher than a 4670K anyways and that will compensate for the minimal IPC gain in Haswell.

my issue is with your MSI Z77A-G45 mobo, all MSI mobos below G55 are sub par and even G55 is questionable.
only 4GB of RAM, you really need 8GB nowadays
add SSD and then upgrade the GTX 570..

so upgrading to a 4670K and Z87 board is a waste IMOp, upgrading surrounding hardware is what I would do.

2cents.gif
There is a poster here, that even says my GD65 is junk. I don't even use it to its full potential, don't even stress it etc etc. It does exactly what I want it to do, what more do I need?
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by malmental View Post

if I had a 3570K then a 4670K is out of the question.
you wanna upgrade from the 3750K then just get a 3770K and be done with it.
odds are you can clock your 3570K higher than a 4670K anyways and that will compensate for the minimal IPC gain in Haswell.

my issue is with your MSI Z77A-G45 mobo, all MSI mobos below G55 are sub par and even G55 is questionable.
only 4GB of RAM, you really need 8GB nowadays
add SSD and then upgrade the GTX 570..

so upgrading to a 4670K and Z87 board is a waste IMOp, upgrading surrounding hardware is what I would do.

2cents.gif
There is a poster here, that even says my GD65 is junk. I don't even use it to its full potential, don't even stress it etc etc. It does exactly what I want it to do, what more do I need?
I like the G65 and just used one recently...
not sure what this 'other' poster is referring to.

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all boards below the G65 do not have the heat pipe for one and to me that's important in cooling overclocked components.
there are other differences like some boards not having SRT and/or Virtu but I do not use those features anyways..
 
#22 ·
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I like the G65 and just used one recently...
not sure what this 'other' poster is referring to.
I wont name names, but I think he is an idiot. He also said upgrading from IB to Haswell is a no brainer, cause he said he could sell the used gear for a profit.
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#23 ·
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I like the G65 and just used one recently...
not sure what this 'other' poster is referring to.
I wont name names, but I think he is an idiot. He also said upgrading from IB to Haswell is a no brainer, cause he said he could sell the used gear for a profit.
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everyone claims to have a fool proof plan...
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#24 ·
I'll just keep my 3570k, too much trouble for a minimal IPC gain. (And just thinking about it, by the time I would upgrade that 4670k, LGA 1150 would be just as dead as 1155)

Thank you malmental for taking the time to look at my rig.

Don't worry, 8 more gigs of ram are coming very soon.
I'll then take an ssd and finally when I feel the need I'll upgrade my 570. I don't play anything right now thta my 570 can't take but I'm sure that will soon change.

Concerning that mobo, I honestly think it is not that bad. I don't plan on overcloking like crazy so I think it can do the job just fine, can you explain me what's bad about it? (Or give me a link)
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by MacA View Post

I'll just keep my 3570k, too much trouble for a minimal IPC gain. (And just thinking about it, by the time I would upgrade that 4670k, LGA 1150 would be just as dead as 1155)

Thank you malmental for taking the time to look at my rig.

Don't worry, 8 more gigs of ram are coming very soon.
I'll then take an ssd and finally when I feel the need I'll upgrade my 570. I don't play anything right now thta my 570 can't take but I'm sure that will soon change.

Concerning that mobo, I honestly think it is not that bad. I don't plan on overcloking like crazy so I think it can do the job just fine, can you explain me what's bad about it? (Or give me a link)
no problem man, I like your rig and I still have a GTX 570 that I use as back-up, couldn't bring myself to sell it.

as for overclocking I'm sure you can hit 4.4GHz safely with that board with good cooling.
right now your cooling solution is not listed in your sig, what do you have or what are your plans.?
 
#26 ·
Stay where you are. In fact, going back a bit, Sandy Bridge is the best CPU IMO ever made. Ivy was a sad step in the overclocking direction and Haswell seems a tad worse.
 
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