Originally Posted by ilovepcgaming
The findings aren't "Invalid". However, the amount of woman you described (No kids, women who keep up with their careers, nanny/maids, can't have kids, etc.) makes up such a small percentage of the population. The fact is that the average women will have kids, and will take off work for some time to care for their child. Whether it's right or wrong, that is what the average woman will typically do. The average man will have kids, but they will not typically become "Stay at home fathers". Statistics are driven by the average. If 80% of women do one thing, you had better expect a study to reflect that.
Why would a study reflect only what is going on with 20% of women? Why would a study on bridge strength only report on the worst 5 bridges?
You say you like to stick with science and facts, however simple common sense seems to elude you and you are afraid of even viewing material that may present arguments and studies contrary to what you believe. If you are actually open minded, give the video a watch.
Weird because according to the census 1-in-5 women over the age of 40 were childless. The number around age 30, 25, 20, 15 are much much higher % of childlessness (obviously). Also, there are more females than males in the US. So the % is still sizable. So why are the younger childless women still making less? While some factors like childbearing or marriage may mitigate/explain the gender pay discrepancy, there are other factors that also affect a woman's ability to make money.
The gender and age unemployment recovery post-recession http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/business/economy/recovery-has-brought-more-jobs-for-men-than-women.html?_r=0
Which doesn't even consider the account of women not getting hired based on the fear they may get pregnant and take time off. Also weird is how according to the census 33% of female households live in poverty versus 16% of males. Must be all that time they are taking off getting pregnant i guess. Also weird is the disparity in pay between female and male ceo's http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/04/focus-3
. If we're talking external factors like women taking time off for pregnancy (maternity leave in the US is one of the lowest in the world), stigmas for being a female worker over starting a family (how much more do females get pressured about marriage than males? A lot more) should also note that women/their work are less valued than their male counterparts, face more hostile work environments (ESPECIALLY in STEM, government jobs, and in finance), are less likely to be promoted, and if a male is promoted over a female, he won't be accused of sleeping with the boss (unless it's a female, which given statistics of women in exec positions is unlikely. the same issue minorities go through with promotions. Yay for white male privilege!). Even the shill-y and cautious payscale addresses these imbalances and shows studies that perpetuate gender discrimination http://www.payscale.com/career-news/2007/04/men_vs_women_sa
(which i mentioned earlier) and other external factors *may explain some of the discrepancy (the women negotiate their salaries less, the men overvalue their work).
Also, professors who have a much more lax schedule (in terms of semesters /classes instead of typical 5 day work weeks) the female pay discrepancy is more pronounced http://chronicle.com/article/The-Pyramid-Problem/126614/
(chronicle is the go-to college faculty salary information site)
Some Sowell context : ex Marxist, that is best known as Sarah Palin's favorite economist. Said Obama is the next Hitler (though I guess you guys don't care since you keep saying everything is nazi this nazi that) War hawk, hates gays/gay marriage,thinks social programs take away our freedoms, and that not everyone deserves rights to a fair trial. Sowell admits that women aren't given the same opportunities, and are an unequal playing field from the start, but also points out that women earn more college degrees, but maintains they belong in the home raising kids. So in his book (which you obviously didn't read) he says women are severely disadvantaged/experience sexism (that thing you said doesn't exist) exists but are paid less due to disadvantages and also having kids. Also, shocking news to Sowell, is that women after their paid leave, return and work *while raising children!
even with discrimination in upper leadership positions, female ceo's outperform if not perform as well as male ceo's. but are significantly underpaid. And that in companies with female representatives in leadership, the pay discrepancy was much much lower than that of companies without: http://journalistsresource.org/studies/economics/jobs/gender-gap-female-executive-compensation
Also, the joint senate committee of both Rep/Demo (you know the group that really likes to work together to get work done) concluded there is gender discrimination though at less than 20%. Once you consider the kind of things Sowell talks about, the gender discrimination still exists, at about 7-10% http://www.jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118a9ef-0771-4777-9c1f-8232fe70a45c
Anyways, keep on liftin' bros. I'm out.Edited by mylilpony - 7/12/13 at 7:10pm